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Help...horizontal shocks???

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by draggin37, Jul 16, 2008.

  1. draggin37
    Joined: Jul 14, 2005
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    i need a pair of shocks that can be mounted on there side (horizontally). Anyone have an idea what to use. roughly 9" compressed-14" out. with hoops at both ends. local parts guys aren't much help!

    thanx
     
  2. angry
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    from ventura ca

    racing shocks from speedway motors carrea , pro or what ever brand they sell now
     
  3. draggin37
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    does anyone know if the pete and jakes rod shocks that i have will work on their sides. they seem to, with just pushing on them.
     
  4. JohnEvans
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    The gas filled should work on their sides.
     

  5. Gas filled,check the Monroe site.

    There is a link here somewhere.
     
  6. pasadenahotrod
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    In the back of all major brand shock absorber catalogs are several pages which list shocks by end style and compressed and extended lengths.
    See your local cooperative auto parts store counterman for this information.
     
  7. AlbuqF-1
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    Sounds a lot like 90's Mustang rear axle dampers, but are you using these with a linkage for damping up-down motion of the axle?
     
  8. JPMACHADO
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    I'd check with Pete & Jakes I just found out 2 days ago that the Alum-I-Shocks that I bought had to be upright.
     
  9. scottybaccus
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    You mean like these?

    QA1's from Speedway
     

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  10. JPMACHADO
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    I talked with QA1 about their shocks before ordering the Pete & Jakes models. QA1 told me their shocks would work in any configuration, that that shock didn't know how it was mounted. I suppose this advise takes into account the common knowledge of shock angle with regards to efficiency (spelling).

    Scottybaccus: that is a very clean set up
     
  11. draggin37
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    yeah im using linkage since i don't have the clearance for standard vertical shock setup on the front suspension. thanks for the info guys ill check out the QA1's.

    j
     
  12. Rossco
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    Most gas / oil shocks can be mounted in any direction. As long has the linkage compresses the stroke with minimal deflection it will work. Now as far as cheapy ones I would not know, but I have three question to help.
    1. Whats it going on would help a little.
    2. performance or ride your looking for, knowing what you want for a comfort/performance level will give a suspension guy a direction for valving types..rebound, stuff like that.
    3. budget.

    some links
    http://www.penskeshocks.com/penskeracing/PS-75NA_BOM_DRAWING.pdf
    http://www.penskeshocks.com/penskeracing/PS7318SABOMDRAWING2.PDF
     

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  13. Al Napier
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    Most any Gas shock will do. What do you mean by "hoops" on the end? Rod ends?

    AFCO makes a smaller bodied shock that should work for your application - www.afcoracing.com

    Al in CT
     
  14. scottybaccus
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    In my set up, there is no loss of shock/spring capacity as when leaning a shock over in a conventional manner. That occurs when the ends of the shock are traveling on parralel paths instead of one path, directly in line with one another.
    The rocker arm has a small ratio mutiplication that I designed to add a small amount of travel to the suspension. The shock has just under 4 inches of travel, but the pushrod and axle use a longer radius on the rocker arm to allow almost 5 inches of suspension travel.
    I laid it out where the shock is almost 90* to the suspension path, so the rocker is built with a little more than 90* in it so that the shock mounts below the rocker pivot. I did that because at full compression, the shock path moved very close to lining up with the rocker pivot. If it were to ever get forced past it, the shock could swap sides on the rocker and bad things would follow. It would be an unlikely scenario, but I have eliminated all possibility of that happening with this geometry.
    The turn-buckle hanging down in the photo is just to allow me to measure for a proper linkage that will be strong enough to hold the weight of the car with a substantial margin of safety.
    I am using bronze bushings in the rocker pivots, but could switch to needle bearings if necessary.
    The shocks could be pointed in any direction. I chose the current position based on crowding in other areas.

    Here are a couple of pics, one with an alternate mounting angle that I considered.

    <img src=http://a718.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/105/l_2d79567049182d729c48b98ba3342005.jpg />

    <img src=http://a478.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/114/l_1d48dcf3d2e7e82705122cf2fd20e87d.jpg />
     
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  15. Rossco
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    Tri- linked rear end on a canti-lever suspension. Same theroy used in some off-road trucks..smaller scale. Nice fab scotty.. Is that the ride height set?? You using adjustable linkages to give you some playing room.
     
  16. scottybaccus
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    Yes, didn't know that when I started this. Thanks! Yes & yes.
     
  17. LowA100
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    Here is the set-up on my deuce roadster
     

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  18. draggin37
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    im gonna try some steering stabalizers that i pickup of from napa. They are the perfect demensions and seem to work the way i need them too.

    Rossco, im just looking to keep the front wheel dance to a minimum. Thats about all i care about at this point. Im sure the ride will be improved also. Im a broke bitch too so unfortunately ive got to keep this stuff cheap.

    Heres a couple shots of my truck before the front shocks. Ill post some better shots of the front suspension tomorrow to show what i did.
     

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  19. scottybaccus
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    Nice. Where were you when I was drawing all my parts? :)

    I was gonna see your fancy drawing and raise you one 3D model, but it's on my other PC.

    I will rip off your install on my next ride, for sure.

    Draggin, why don't you dig up some lever action shocks from a early Ford? They should cost about half of coil-overs and will be much easier to install. That's my plan for the front unless I find an upright tube shock that doesn't suck to look at.
     

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