Projects AV8 WITH 39 CROSS STEER SET UP

So after years of sitting I am finally working on this again. So I have a 30 roadster with 50 flathead and T5. Trans. I got the motor and trans lined up but stuck on the steering. Ideas? Can notch 1 inch out of the frame and bring the box out? The engineer in me hates that idea. Do I shift the trans a bit to the passenger side? not a fan of the either. Cut the shaft and add some U joints? What have you guys all done out there. Pictures say a 1000 words if you all have any on the topic.

 

so this steering box is junk. I have a good one but only wanted to use this one to mock up the length I added to the column. The arm on the box I will heat up and bend up. That will then be close to being on the same plane as the passenger side spindle.

 

U-joints, or side steer.

 

Can you trim the box flange and put it inside the frame?

 

A solid steering shaft out front for cross steer like that really limits your options in an early frame. It won't bend. Move the box one way or the other and it will affect the angle of the steering wheel side to side as well. Hence the invention of uni joints.

 

I wonder if

I could. but I will need to run some math on what is a safe amount. .5 in ??

 

i just U joints might kill the look

 

Cut the bottom frame rail flange about 3/4 of an inch.Move the boxing plate inside the rail.This keeps the top of the rail looking stock.The box will move away from the engine. If the shaft is still at a bad angle install a ujoint on the inside of the firewall where it wont show. Some sort of lower column mount could be built on the inside of the firewall if need be. F1 steering is looking pretty good right about now........

 

Not to be dense by why do you want to move it from where you have it mocked up? What’s interfering at this point?

that may help in creating a solution you are ok with

 

I run crossteer on my 29 with a 46 Ford box. I used a couple U-joints but you really can't see them underneath the header unless you pay attention.

 

I just noticed, are you using 1/4" plate for boxing?

 

The shaft is about 1/32 from the engine bolt. I was thinking if I could get it further away I could split the column in two pcs and there would be a section of the steering shaft exposed. just a thought i had.

 

3/16 plate

 

is your column then welded in the firewall at the bottom?

 

I worry about strength if I cut that away. I need to do some math to see what strength I loose. Have you seen this done before? If I did something like this I would maybe add a 3/8 plate on the side.

 

I think trimming the top and bottom of your boxing plate and mounting it inside the frame
Rail instead of on the outside of it would get
You a 1/4” or so. May be enough?

could also experiment with a little adjustment front to back and with steering column angle.

an 1/8 here, 1/4 there and a 1/16 under that could yield you quite a bit of clearance

 

I have no idea why your you're having an issue at all. Maybe you missed something with the Tape Measure. 40 box and a 37 dash with stock 40 column mount bolted in the stock 37 holes. Maybe I'm just lucky, plus I built my headers to clear the steering shaft.

 

Weld a 12''long ,or so plate on the inside lower rail. Set you mounting plate inside the rails,and weld in. Should be plenty of strength.

 

I’m thinking a double universal. Did it in my 39 Poncho. As long as you don’t exceed the limits for the universal, it should be good to go.

 

You missed that your car is channeled and so the column which is interfering is dropped down out of the way?

 

Did you move your body back on the frame?

 

I do have a dropped axel in mine and Z'ed the frame in the back

 

With side steer you don't need a panhard bar. Cross steer you do to prevent bumpsteer,----is this true??

 

With a Transverse leaf front suspension, Yes, absolutely. there are people that will tell you "no you don't need one" but you do. I don't need to have laces in my shoes to put shoes on, but the sure as hell stay on better with them. If you don't want to run a panhard bar, you can run a dead perch in place of one of the shackles, but that creates other issues as well.

 

That^

 

Channeled or not. The steering column is outboard of the Block and head by an 1". Yes I do run a front panhard bar. The Body is mounted stock to rear wheel base.

 

Mr K, the bottom of my steering column is bolted to the firewall with a mount that I made

 

Also before you decide where your going to place that box you should get your exhaust manifold or header on that side of the engine before you lock it in. I started out with an F1 box in my 31 A but had problems and in a hunt to solve a death wobble issue I converted it to a Vega box with a cross steer set up.

 

you have the earlier flathead, those are smaller correct?? That might be where you get your room from??

 

No, that is a stock wheelbase chassis and tires fit as they should in wheelhouse being it will end up a full fendered car.