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Technical The Lost Art Of Lacing Cable

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  1. Ryan
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    Ryan submitted a new blog post:

    The Lost Art Of Lacing Cable

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  2. Gasser_Dave
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    Learned that art in the USAF. Still use it today!
     
  3. As a guy who dealt with 'cable management' throughout his professional life, I always admired the craftsmanship of laced cabling when I ran into it but hated it if any troubleshooting was involved. I can't tell you how many times I had to cut that away to trace wires... I'd highly recommend adding spares to any hard-to-get-to bundles for future mods or repairs.

    And not to rain on your parade Ryan, but tightly bundling AV cabling is not recommended as induced currents can cause noise/crosstalk, even with shielded cables.
     
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  4. Ziggster
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    Interesting. My Allen Syncrograph machine has some laced wiring.
     
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  5. Ryan
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    I don’t bundle power and A/V cables… And as for the A/V cables, the chances for interference is really slim… especially with balanced cables. In fact, I’ve never had it happen. Not something I’m too worried about in application.
     
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  6. Balanced cables do sharply reduce the issue...
     
  7. what's funny is electric Yamaha organs use this technique into the 80s they may still I just haven't torn apart any new ones lately..
     
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  8. Tim
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    I’ve always enjoyed the look but have never seen a tutorial of doing it, thanks.
     
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  9. Roothawg
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    It's not a lost art, we use it every day in the aircraft world. Of course, you need the wax string to get it to behave. It does look better than tie wraps IMO.
     
  10. Jalopy Joker
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    very interesting - I am still in the zip tie world
     
  11. Roothawg
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    They call it waxed lacing string. You can get it on Amazon among other places. It's usually like 30-40 bucks for 500 yards, so you have more than a 1/4mile to play with. It comes in black or white.
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  13. Ford52PU
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    I started in Electronics as a assembler in 1974. spent 2 years making wiring harnesses on nail boards, each harness was laced using the wax string in white shown above. It got so I could do it almost without looking. Had not thought about this in years. Lost art Im sure.
     
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  14. Eggcellent post @Ryan !

    I love the look of cloth wire laced like this.
     
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  15. PhilA
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    Ditto phone exchanges, but we have moved to Velcro wraps for the ease of modification.
     
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  16. Model A Gomez
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    I worked in substations and we laced everything for years, weren't allowed to use wire ties for a long time. I laced the wiring on my coupe a couple of years ago, looks neater than plastic wire ties and no sharp ends. The wire tie where the loom comes out of the fuse box is long gone. wiring.jpg
     
  17. Most of the industry had gone to Panduit, a plastic 'U' channel with slots on both sides and a snap-on cover. Not as elegant looking, but far easier to install and service.
     
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  18. Ryan
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    a good brief synopsis of what I posted. :)
     
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  19. Roothawg
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    Cliff notes version.

    I didn’t see the notes on the Amazon part. My apologies. I speed read most threads….
     
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  20. Elcohaulic
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    Don't you just love when the put the coil resister wire right in the center of the bundle.
     
  21. jimmy six
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    Went into the electrical trade in 1965. Standard deal for all panel wiring especially in substations and controls for circuit breakers. We all learned it. 1960’s back …. wiremen we’re artists.
     
  22. Ryan
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    oh no… you good. Nothing wrong with a synapsis at all.
     
  23. dana barlow
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    I been around our cars hobby a long time,may have been to more indoor car shows long ago ,then most.
    Neat clean wiring was looked at well,like nice polish work an other detail stuff. Very nice done extra things a big plus!
    In Cub Scouts n Boy Scouts I was in late 1940s ,one of many skills learned by some; Braiding rope, n Boondoggle .
    A few times I saw that show up in custom wiring of many colors in cars.
    I liked it,but just didn't have the time too do it,on any of my hot rods or customs.
     
  24. Tim
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    Is there a rhyme or reason for the amount of times it’s wrapped around? I notice somethings it’s a single loop while other times it’s half a dozen?
     
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  26. goldmountain
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    Looking at a harness wrapped this way is what made me want to learn how to wire a car.
     
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  27. Ryan
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    The only time I tie the together is on long straight runs… and only then because I think it looks cool.
     
  28. Roothawg
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    The main advantage to me is the fact that it shrinks the footprint of any wiring bundle. No more sharp tangs ready to lay you wide open.
     
  29. I keep telling you guys, use the better tie-wraps with the metal catches then twist the tail off you won't have any sharp edges... :rolleyes:
     
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  30. Roothawg
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    I do have some of those. I still like string ties better....
     
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