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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Ken Pecora, May 22, 2022.

  1. Ken Pecora
    Joined: Aug 22, 2021
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    Ken Pecora

    I bought an unfinished project.1940 standard tudor. It has a GM 10 bolt rear with parallel leafs and tube shocks in the rear. Disc brakes and split wishbones up front. It has bolt in motor mounts supposedly from CE for a small block Ford. I have a low mileage 5.0L from a 2000 Explorer I would like to use. This would use a carb and distributor, no electronics. I also have C4 trans with the six bolt bell housing from a V8 car I want to use. What do I need to tie the block to the pedestals on the frame? Someone out there must have done this swap. Any help will be appreciated.
     
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  2. deathrowdave
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    PM me an Email,I help and send you photos
     
  3. If you have the Chassis Engineering Ford mounts they may be set up to use the donut style engine mounts, a photo would help. HRP
     
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  4. 41rodderz
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    Pics and you need the engine block mounts that corresponds to frame mounts.
     

  5. deathrowdave
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    Those are not correct for CE . HRP is correct , they use donut insulators , with a plate bolted to the block at the OEM engine mount bosses . I’ll get an image tomorrow , my back is screaming at a pain level 12 ! Many years of manual labor and hard tail riding have , really effected my life .
     
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  6. Wanderlust
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    You gotta leave that hard tail at the bar where you found it. ; )
     
  7. deathrowdave
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    If these don’t help , let me know , I’ll get some more . These are a bit old , but you can see the mounts . C14CD21D-E39D-46C1-952F-6488E6F0DD22.png 3F65C9CA-6345-4E7F-BC23-0E0259941E61.png 89076C8C-5FF9-4605-B0C9-9716EF9FF14D.png
     
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  8. deathrowdave
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    I left a few , but you know , weakness will over take you .
     
  9. Having ridden ridged frame Harleys from South Carolina to Dayton Beach several times when I was younger my back is paying for it now that I'm a old fart. HRP
     
  10. Dave Mc
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    I recently installed an 87 SBF . finding the appropriate flex plate ( 50.oz. ) to mate the C4 is important, also the Distributor gear needs to be changed to Steel instead of Cast Iron.
     
  11. fordor41
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    That's exactly how I installed a SBF /C-4 in our '41. I fab'd the frame mounts and engine plates almost exactly like shown in your pic.
     
  12. While they discontinued the earlier mounts, Butch's Cool Stuff has a kit for the 52-54 Ford that you could use or get an idea of how to fab your plates. The biscuit style mounts are available from several places.
     
  13. sloppy jalopies
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    i mount the SBFs from the threaded holes on the front of the heads onto the flathead mounts...
    i find the stock sbf frame mounts can be in the way...
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  14. Ken Pecora
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    Ken Pecora

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  16. Ken Pecora
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    Ken Pecora

    The 5.0L I want to use in my '40 has the funky front sump cast aluminium oil pan. I know I need a rear sump pan. Also will need to change the oil pump pickup. Would any rear sump pan for a 302 work or do I need something specific to this swap? Thanks for sharing your experience.
     
  17. That will depend on if your block is drilled for a dipstick or not. If your motor was originally a front sump, it won't be drilled and you'll need a pan that has the dipstick built-in. Both Ford and the aftermarket sell them I believe. If it is drilled, then most any later-model rear sump pan will work. There are slight variations between truck and car versions, you'll have to determine which will be best for you.

    Post #7 shows where the dipstick will be located if the block is drilled.
     
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  18. Budget36
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    Do the timing covers swap that use a dip stick in them?
     
  19. Yep, they do so that's not always an indicator of which block you have. You can convert a rear sump to front sump easily with the right front cover, oil pan and pickup. Front to rear can be more complicated....
     
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  20. Mimilan
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    Yes! A swap is also needed if you want a mechanical Fuel Pump on a 5.0 exploder engine
     
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  21. customline joe
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    In the 1970's after reading an article in Rod and Custom I contacted Frank O to get more details. I purchased the motor mounts that bolted to the heads, used a bronco pan and oil pump pickup tube, recessed the firewall . I used a 3 speed transmission and a 9" rear end with springs from a 1957 ford I believe. I believe the motor mounts where purchased from J.C. Whitney or another mag. The swap was not difficult making up the z bar clutch linkage required a few trips back to work at night to get the help of welder that work at night. I would mark , he would tack ,remeasure until it worked great. The engine I took out was a 303 cu in Olds that a friend helped me put in the car at 15 years old with original ford transmission and drive train with the help of an adapter purchased from J.C. Whitney. I am now getting ready to install a 351 cu in. Cleveland engine with a T5 transmission in my coupe at the age of 82.
    Joe
     
  22. BamaMav
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    I looked at that type mount when I put my 302 in but since I'm running factory accessory brackets with ac, ps, and alt I couldn't figure a way to make them work. I also didn't like the idea of all that weight being put on the heads and it being suspended on each end of the unit. I built a new cross member and put my mounts on the side location using pickup mounts.
     
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  23. Joe Travers
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    Don't know your C build but take it easy on that T-5 brother.

    Another Joe
     
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  24. BJR
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    It's more traditional to use a SBC.:D
     
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  25. dirt car
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    Looks as if sloppy jalopies has a few weepy oil issues much as do I, check all arround the timing,cover,oil pan & intake for leaks , not to forget the rear main. not certain if the 260-289-302's are notorious oil weepers or not, it appears mine was hastily put together at some point much easier to check it prior to poking it in the chassis, just a word of caution !
     
  26. Ken Pecora
    Joined: Aug 22, 2021
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    Ken Pecora

    This project was supposedly set up to mount a ford 302 in a '40 using Chassis Engineering hardware. Do the frame mounts in the picture look right? How would I find the engine mounts needed to match these frame mounts? Help!!
     

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  27. They could be. You're looking for a '68-70s intermediate/big car style mount. These mounts are pretty much all the same except for how high they mount the motor, but there isn't a big variation, more like about a half inch from low to high.

    I personally don't care for this design (and the GM mounts are very similar) as the factory frame mount had a angled pad that the mount set on that actually took the weight and prevented the mount from 'twisting' on the bolt.
     
  28. RmK57
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    It's much more traditional to keep the flathead.:D
     
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2022
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  29. I used a 1995 ford E150 Van pan and pickup tube. It also a 6qt pan.
     

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