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Hot Rods 34 Ford Tudor/Cabrio door length?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by James D, Dec 14, 2021.

  1. I've seen a 34 Tudor for sale, that someone has cut the roof off, just leaving the screen pillars in place. I was wondering if it might be possible to create a 34 Cabrio type body, using new roadster rear quarters, but I can't make out the difference in the door lengths. I know the roadster has short doors (Fordor length I guess?) but are the Tudor doors the same length as a Cabrio, or even longer again?

    Thanks!
     
  2. mgtstumpy
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    Side pressings on a cabriolet doors are different due to wind up window
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    I don't have this book however another HAMBER may have it and be able to provide specifics
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  3. millersgarage
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    Cabrio is almost a 3 window coupe with the door tops cut off.
    Quarters are very different than a roadster

    Windshield frame is squared off on top. Rounded on closed cars.
     
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  4. It's more the length of the doors that I'm trying to find out.
    Can I use Tudor doors on a Cabrio-alike, or are they much longer?
     

  5. What is left over on the Tudor has the header rail cut off completely, so I figured with some sort of top rail added back to it, it ought to resemble a Cabrio fairly closely.
     
  6. Johnboy34
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    The Tudor and 3 Window have pretty much the same width door, so yes pretty much the same on a Cabriolet.
     
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  7. That's great, thanks for the info.
     
  8. Hey James,

    @Mhamm <-- Mike from Iron Trap Garage has a 1934 Ford Cabriolet project. Maybe he can help ? For sure a sucker for beer, and/or beer papernalia. :eek::D

    ... but aren't we all ?? :cool:
     
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  9. 31Apickup
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    Cabriolet doors are shorter
     
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  10. OK, so they're longer than roadster short doors, but they aren't as long as Tudor doors either?
     
  11. millersgarage
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    Tudor doors are 38 3/8 at the beltline, Cabriolet are 33 19/64
     
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  12. Thanks guys!
    Kind of strange they made more than two different lengths of door.
     
  13. Hot Rods Ta Hell
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    2F8FF79C-8343-40C5-9958-1857AF1C8ED5.jpeg To make a Cabrio style body from the scalped Tudor you'll need an open car back half;
    SAR roadster quarters ($2200)
    Deck lid ($1000)
    Above and below deck lid panels ($500 ish)

    Labor wise, you'll need to;
    • shorten the quarters at the jambs to fit the Tudor length doors
    • modify the Tudor tops to emulate Cabrio door tops
    • build a windshield header
    • build a custom lift off roof or build a custom or modify a stock top folding mechanism
    IMHO, a better looking car could be had with far less part $$$ outlay and far less labor by building a 34 2 door Phaeton (the one pictured is a Deuce);

    • Source an open car (roadster) cowl top or modify yours and add open car stanchions & windshield
    • modify the Tudor door tops rolling them to emulate open car doors
    • top irons are a ditto of the Cabrio build
    • Far less labor and far less parts purchasing required.
     
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  14. Thanks for that.
    I'd pretty much come to the same conclusion. By the time I'd changed almost the entire car, it wouldn't make sense any more. Some sort of chopped Carson style top might be pretty cool though. Hmmm....I'll probably keep looking I think.
     
  15. millersgarage
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    roadsters are the smallest door, then there is the 4 door.....

    All on the same floorpan.

    you could just make a 2 door Phaeton
     
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  16. Johnboy34
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    A Tudor Phaeton Cabriolet,,,, with a lift off Carson Top!
     
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  17. nrgwizard
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    Hey, James;
    Don't you do some photo-chopping? I'd kinda like to see the visuals of a stock cabbie vs a long-door cabbie. Same wheelbase & body lengths, & then a third w/longer wb utilizing the 2dr doors & stock length qtrs. W/fenders & w/o, please... :D . Was hoping to see this one come to life. Love that 2dr phaeton. Only thing better would be iffen it was a 2dr convert sedan style. Best looking roadster/cabbie I ever saw pics of, was a 32 ford 3window that was convertible-ized, due to top being destroyed. That's the one ford should've built by the billions, iirc, guy had a straight8 buick in it. Was a feature in HotRodMechanics, I think?
    Marcus...
     
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  18. hotrodjack33
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    See doable to me
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  19. Corn Fed
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    Unless you are willing to make every little detail match a true Cabriolet, slightly longer doors wouldn't be a big deal. Is it so hacked up that you couldn't get another sedan roof and put it back as a sedan?
     
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  20. I've kind of concluded that it's not worth it. The car is way too expensive, considering it's a pretty rough looking body, channelled over a basic looking frame. Why pay for a body and then throw half of it away? The thing I'd actually be paying for is essentially the fact that it's already correctly registered here (which can be kind of challenging, seeing as I'm in Germany). This also makes the chances of finding parts to put a roof back on it super slim.
     

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