Technical ***August 2021 Banger Meet Thread - Hot August Bangers!***

Link to previous month: July 2021

Old Dawg informs us there is an effort to resurrect a F.A.S.T. newsletter but it would require 400 subscribers (minimum number to attract vendors). Subscription price is unknown at this point (2021/7/1) but if you are interested send an email to [email protected].

Coming Events: (PM Jiminy with additions/corrections)
Monterey Car Week August 7th - 14th, 2021
Bonneville Speedweek August 7th - 13th, 2021
18th Annual North Central Iowa Four Banger Speed Meet, September 11, 2021
Hot Rod Hill Climb Sept 17th - 18th, 2021
49th Running of the Antique Nationals October 17th 2021-Irwindale Speedway
Stay safe.

For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

Jim Brierley's book 4-bangers! And me! is a must read book for all banger enthusiasts. US customers send $34.00 all color except for the oldest pictures (includes S/H in the U.S.A.), PayPal welcome, to:
Jim Brierley, 39480 Colleen Way, Temecula, CA 92592.
email: [email protected]
phone: 951-695-7313.

Here is a list of most of the prior monthly banger meet links:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498

Banger basics. another info link list:
http://www.fordgarage.com/

http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/may-bang-er-thread.470853/page-4#post-5212157
and this link shows the missing image from the above post
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-work-on-bangers.1010716/page-3#post-11427055

The 4 Banger hot rod picture thread.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/the-4-banger-hot-rod-picture-thread.997051/

Model B rod bearing insert numbers
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484

Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
http://web.archive.org/web/20120415...e.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html

Adjusting dual Strombergs:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461

Helpful Model A tools and tips:
http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html

Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9147025&postcount=109

Elrod's stuck head tech:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487

Model A generator to alternator conversion:
http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html

Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:
http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php

Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173

Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"
http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05

Chevy Banger Stuff
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465

Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10

T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256226

New Banger Block in the Works
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/new-banger-block-in-the-works.616056/

Model A & B Style Cast Iron Cylinder Head Compression Ratios.
http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/headcompressionratio.htm

 

I'll be lurking about in the shadows. Other than this it's unlikely you'll know I'm here.

 

Thanks Jim, still loading trailer for SpeedWeek.
Now, where was I??
J

 

Where did the summer go?

 

Got some time away so I decided to tinker on the engine a bit. Unfortunately my bronze intake hits the new belond exhaust! Anyone have any advice on what I should do? With the oil pan painted, the engine looks WAY better.

 

Other

than the obvious, ie. sending the exhaust to me , could you maybe make spacers to bolt in between?

 

Checking in….just got the new and improved Pertronix module along with a coil and new plug wires for the truck

 

Broke a stud (the last one) when trying to remove them. I needed longer ARP studs for my thomas head. Anyway, after 4 weeks, a broken ez out, the purchase of an magnetic drill press and carefully using a carbine burr and cyliner to drill it out, I finally was able to put the studs in.

The ARP studs are a lot straighter than the standard repop model a ones (go figure) and the head slid right on. (This is a mock up but couldn't help myself).

In the mean time I'm going to have to source spark plugs for the thomas as well as dist wires. Anyone have a good source for dist wires to go with a black cap mallory? Excited to get back from my work trip and get this banger running.

 

What is new and improved... I have an older one in my banger Mallory distributor, maybe the improved one will give me more power?

 

Bronze intake...? Retson, we gonna need more info...!

I sent off the design for my dual Winfield intake to the foundry... it’s only time and money now...

 

Good on you for your persistence and success, congrats !
I just went thru same broken stud BS , however I broke SEVEN, out of 14 !!!
Took me several months. My method…. Start with center punch and small drill to large drill. With shaky arthritic old beat up hands… well as you now know, you can’t afford to break a tool in the hole, eh !
Antway, I couldn't believe that 7:1 Winfield slipped right into place , with seven inserts and new studs.

 

If it was mine I'd remove 2 inches of pipe between the flange and the bends. Pretty simple job. If the outlet is too close to the engine you can take a few degrees of the start of the bend and slope the header away from the engine instead of running vertical.

 

It's a hotter coil and the module will not self-destruct if the key is left on.

 

It's a hotter coil and the module will not self-destruct if the key is left on.

Well that's cool. I'll have to remember to get the newer version next time I leave the key on.

 

Checking in... Dead in the water still....

 

Looks like a copy of a Wright intake, took me years to find one. Like the print but all the literature I read on Winfields says the float bowls need to face forward to work properly. Can't say I ever saw a photo where they didn't.

 

There's no greater misnomer than EZ out.

 

Iowa Hillclimb Sept 11, everything you need to know is in the attachment.
Ya want to know a secret, there are no hills in North Iowa

 

My favorite way to remove a broken bolt:



Works every time.

,

 

I must have missed that part in the dealer catalog... where did you read this...? I agree that most, if not all, Winfield’s are mounted as you say, just not convinced that it would make much of a difference in my application.

Assuming that the typical carb orientation is relative to fuel level sensitivities, a vehicle typically produces much higher forces during braking, than either turning or accelerating. With the float bowl oriented toward the front during braking... the fuel level would raise in the float bowl preventing any fuel control issues. If the carbs were reversed, the fuel level during braking would lower the float level, potentially enough to cause flooding and engine stalling. I would absolutely agree that installing the float bowl to the rear would be a mistake, unless the vehicle and driver were very mild mannered.

I don’t think this will be an issue in my application, as this will be a T speedster with limited braking effort. I also will be using spring loaded needle and seats that will dampen the fuel level changes, and should allow more flexibility. I will look at how far the carb would have to be “tipped” before the fuel level would slosh onto the intermediate or high spray bar and report back...

 

Had nothing else better to do tonite...

Looks like it would take roughly a 45 degree fuel angle in the float bowl before leakage thru the intermediate/high speed spray bars would occur. I don’t suspect that my speedster will pull a full “G” during braking. I wonder if I will notice flooding during left/right turns tho...? I’m not scared off yet, will continue as planned. The manifold may end up hanging in the rafters... but I gotsta try sumpin! I can always go back to the typical elbows to mount the carbs over the top of the ports, but feel the plenum will provide noticeable benefit when it comes to tuning and overall performance

 

Amen to that,

Wife says "I have some clothes here to donate"
Husband "why not just throw them away?"
Wife, "there are poor starving people who could use them"
Husband "anyone who could fit into your clothes surely isn’t starving"

J

 

Went and looked thru all my Winfield notes. Only thing I could find was an indept article about Winfield carbs that I found online back in 2011 on older carbs. It stated float bowls should be mounted toward the front if possible. Not sure who wrote the article but as you said you should be fine.

 

Good advice.
And, the intakes face the rear.

 

Thanks. for sharing video !

 

It's a bronze 1 of 1 intake made by Petes Speed Shop of AUS. It came with a bronze throttle arm as well.

Where are you located? I'd love to come and take some product photos of the intake / carbs when they are available!

 

That's pretty smart!! Unfortunately my welder is on its way to texas to help my brother build his winery. Now to figure out what to do!!

 

Right there was a cheap answer that will work. Don't modify the exhaust.

 

If yur ever passin thru the Sacramento area...

 

if going thru Sacramento , dont slow down .................