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Discussion in 'Traditional Customs' started by Charlie Allnut, Jun 27, 2021.

  1. Charlie Allnut
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    Hi all, I had a bad vibration between 40/55 last time out so put the car on axle stands and ran it in gear. I got underneath to listen and it sounded like bearing noises in the diff. When I stripped the rear axle I found the hub and axle bearing surfaces had wear marks so I assumed this was the problem and ordered new hubs and repair sleeves for the axle casings.
    I removed the axle to take off the casings for machining ready for the repair sleeves. When I removed the torque tube the centre bearing fell out......
    When researching this bearing I found it should have a rubberised outer casing!
    I've been looking for a new bearing but can't find a supplier, is there an upgrade or modification for this bearing or can you guys point me in the right direction to buy a new old stock bearing? Many thanks in advance. Charlie
     
  2. footbrake
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    Between 40-55? Did you get the tires balanced?
     
  3. 42merc
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    NOS can sometimes be found on E bay.
    Skip Haney, in Florida does/did sell a replacement bearing. Check with the Ford Barn for an address.
     
  4. Charlie Allnut
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    Hi, tyres were dynamically balanced on the car
     

  5. Charlie Allnut
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    Hi, thanks for that- just registered with the Ford barn, waiting for acceptance before I can post.
     
  6. joel
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    George Haney, 29436 Taralane Dr., Punta Gorda, Fl. 33982
     
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  7. 19Fordy
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    NOS center bearings do come up for sale now and then on Ebay. I would suggest you post you needs on Fordbarn. They are not cheap. While you're at it replace the clam shell cork seal with the new style neoprene for sale on Ebay.
    OEM center bearing is encased in rubber which dissolves away over time. Skip Haney makes a replacement seal.

    If you could figure out a way to encase the OEM bearing that fell out in rubber, you could probably reuse it. It is held in place in the center of the torque tube by a metal ring welded to the inside of the torque tube. It' s a slip fit and a special puller is used to both install and remove it.

    ZIP over to Fordbarn and do a search on "center bearing". Also, read all the center bearing info here:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=194...69i57j69i60.7184j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
     

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  8. Budget36
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    Mac Van Pelt seems to have a lot of drivetrain parts, try his website vanpeltsales.com , or contact him.
     
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  9. I might think twice about (true) NOS vs repo: can you really trust 81 year old rubber?
     
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  10. 19Fordy
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    Yes, you can trust 81 year old rubber if it was stored properly. I was able to find a NOS center bearing in 2017 and it was in great condition.
     
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  11. You might PM @Mart on here. As a flathead guy maybe he has one in his stash. He’s in Solihull.
     
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  12. 42merc
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    Skip's [email protected]
    Couldn't find web site, at one time he had R&R directions on replacing the bearing using common tools.
     
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  13. 19Fordy
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  14. Good thread guys and thanks for your input !
     
  15. Charlie Allnut
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    I'm happy with repo if I can find one
     
  16. Charlie Allnut
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    Thank you
     
  17. Charlie Allnut
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    I messaged skip and waiting for a reply
     
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  19. Charlie Allnut
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    This is great info , many thanks
     
  20. Charlie Allnut
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    Hi all, thanks for all the links and input, plenty of good reading and ideas in there. I apologise for any delay in response time but I'm in a different time zone, I haven't found a bearing yet. I am going to turn up a solid bronze bush with a 'grease' hole drilled into it and lube it through the existing grease nipple and drill and tap a couple of retainer screw holes. I'll let you know how bad it vibrates- or not
     
  21. 19Fordy
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    Charlie: Your idea of making a bronze bushing sure sounds promising and your holding it in place
    with retainer set screws drilled and tapped into the walls of the torque tube will work, I believe. There is a retaining lip welded inside the torque tube that holds the stock center bearing in place by compressing the rubber
    exterior of the OEM center bearing as the bearing is pulled into the retainer ring lip.. You may be able to visually see the spot welds on the exterior of the torque tube.

    It would be great if you could make your bronze bushing OD so that it just slips fits inside the retainer lip used for the original torque tube center bearing as it would assure that your bushing is correctly aligned with the solid drive shaft.
    There is actually very little wear on the stock inner roller bearing as it primarily prevents the solid drive shaft from whipping causing vibration.

    I know I saw photos of what the inner retainer ring inside the torque tube looks like and will try to find and post them.

    Be sure and take plenty of photos with measurements on making your bushing and installing it so that we all can learn
    from your expertise. Here's some more info. re: Skip Haney bearing.
    https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76005

    Thanks, Jim
     
  22. 19Fordy
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    Charlie: I found a thread that shows what the cross section of the torque tube looks like at the location of the center bearing retainer lip. Read all this:
    https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=186780&highlight=replace+center+bearing

    Posts #4 and 13 show how the rubber on the OEM center bearing is compressed when the bearing is correctly seated.
    https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=186780&highlight=replace+center+bearing

    It would be nice if you could make your bushing so it slides into the exact same position in the lip as the OEM bushing but. I don't think it would do any harm if you made the OD of your bushing so it just slips into the torque tube and comes to rest against the bottom outer lip of the retaining lip and then checked the alignment with your solid drive shaft AND then scured your bushing in place with set screws through the torque tube. The fit between the roller bearing encased in the the OEM rubber is not tight so your bushing should actually be a better fit but not so tight that it causes the solid drive shaft to bind.

    It would be great if you could find an oilite bearing that would perform the same function as your bushing while still using the zerk fitting, just in case.

    It would be fun to get an old torque tube, cut it apart and experiment with your ideas.
    Please keep us all informed and take plenty of photos. JIM

    I wonder if a bearing like this could be adapted to replace the Ford torque tube bearing. I know that there are companies that make bearings encase in rubber.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/2941268351...N5wpvwkxdwrzE7qkqvrHqSzMj9y5pRQAaAslZEALw_wcB
     
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  23. Charlie Allnut
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    That's a great idea, looks very adapable!
     
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