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Technical 1962 Chrysler 727 transmission question.

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by 31Vicky with a hemi, Jan 24, 2021.

  1. The shifter cable detents what I’m wondering about.
    The little cable moves freely thru a series of detents. What’s their order PRNDL ? And why couldn’t a regular shifter be used?
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  2. Frankie47
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    from omaha ne.

    Does a 62 Tflite have park?
     
  3. squirrel
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    park should be on the back of the transmission...they used a separate cable for that...it's not in the shift pattern on the valve body.
     
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  4. Rusty O'Toole
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    Do you have the pushbutton console? They were mechanical by cables not like the electric pushbutton shift used by some other makes. The Chrysler setup was pretty reliable and trouble free. Back in the day it was common when doing an engine swap, to put the console in the dash and keep the stock pushbutton drive. A guy down the road has a 35 Ford pickup built that way in the sixties, with a 383 and Torqueflite. It still works fine.
     

  5. I only see one cable out of the trans
     
  6. Marty Vanin
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    Should be a cable at the front of the trans between the switch and cooler line.The park cable hooks to the park housing under the extension housing near the case.
     
  7. bchctybob
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    I’m looking forward to seeing what info pops up here. I’ve got one too that I had hoped to use behind the 392 in my Austin but the push button info has been somewhat elusive.


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  8. Marty Vanin
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    Some may still have used a brake drum on the back for a parking brake,eliminating the 2nd cable.I really can’t remember.They did have floor shifters from factory that used both cables,not sure if there was any aftermarket stuff made.
     
  9. The shifter buttons that control the cable from left to right are: R N D 2 1
    Now which end of this order pushes the cable all the way into the trans and which end pulls it out I'm not sure.
     
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    I’m pointing to the one cable I see.
    And you guys can meet Xander.
     
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  11. Budget36
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    At least the dog is cleaned up;)
     
  12. squirrel
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    can you turn the phone/camera sideways, so we can see all of the transmission?

    and maybe hold it lower, too?
     
  13. Rusty O'Toole
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    They typically had 2 cables, one for shifting gears the other for park. Some dispensed with the park cable and depended on the hand brake on the back of the transmission. There could also be a kickdown from the carburetor.
    Your photo is blurry and your trans caked with grease but I think I see the shifter cable and the kickdown. The parking pawl is farther back.
    The wire is the neutral starter lockout switch. It prevents starting except in neutral.
     
  14. Rusty O'Toole
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    You could install a shift lever, some Dodge trucks had a shift lever on the dashboard, so did 1955 Chrysler products. I think this one is Plymouth, Chrysler had a similar arrangement.
    Car shift lever
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    Pickup and van shift lever and cable
    [​IMG]
     
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  15. Rusty O'Toole
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    If you insist on a lever the easy way would be to find a shift lever out of an old pickup or van. There are other differences of a 1962 Torqueflite besides the shifter. In those days the crankshaft flange stuck out farther because it was bolted to the flex plate with nuts and bolts, later they shortened the crankshaft and used bolts threaded into the crankshaft flange. They had a hand brake on the back of the trans, and they used an odd type of universal joint called a mechanic's joint. All these were changed by 1966, then they had a conventional column shift, short crankshaft, no hand brake, and conventional universal joint. Exactly when they made the change I don't recall but I think it was 1964 -65. In other words 64 was the last of the old design.

    All this means your engine is not compatible with a later trans because of the crankshaft and your trans is not compatible with a later engine. If I had a good 62 engine and trans I would use them. So far as I know repair and rebuild parts are available for both, but some of the experts may chime in on this point.

    I still think the pushbuttons are cooler than a lever.
     
  16. bchctybob
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    IIRC, Some pushbutton cars had the buttons for gear selection and a separate slide lever for park. My trans appears to be one of those. No drum on the tailshaft housing. Sorry about the strange lighting.
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  17. Rusty O'Toole
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    Here is the gearshift, kickdown and neutral safety switch
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    Here is the parking lock cable
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  18. bchctybob
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    Here's what I was thinking of....
    MoparButtons01.jpg
     
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  19. Rusty O'Toole
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    That looks good.Finding all the parts needed in working order would be an adventure.
     

  21. I just got finished putting it on a trailer covered up and outside. So no more pics
    I doubt anything here will be helpful but I got these a few days ago. 31C86373-B009-4559-AAAE-E78212A58E66.jpeg 5465908E-D20F-4DDA-A595-10C369458910.jpeg A9A64E13-5437-49CD-9C75-7820A26F7C27.jpeg E03B338B-3206-48A7-90EC-3B375B4C4D43.jpeg 78ABDE1A-764D-4C78-BAFF-236C322D5037.jpeg 3FEE1F26-9AE3-4BAF-BE57-3E3A86B858B8.jpeg 46D3E6A6-453C-43E3-A55C-5BE6E31019D8.jpeg
     
  22. Rusty O'Toole
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    A close look at some pics of a 55 gearshift reveals the quadrant was - R - N - D - L - with R at the top. This suggests Reverse was with the cable all the way in and L all the way out. Park was separate, with its own lever.

    Here is the 55 Chrysler quadrant. They had the 2 speed Powerflite, a Torqueflite would be -R-N-D-2-1-
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    I don't have a shot of the two levers, but here is the pushbutton plus park arrangement. You see the long travel Park control on the left.
    upload_2021-1-24_16-49-27.jpeg

    Here is the same thing only horizontal
    upload_2021-1-24_16-50-29.jpeg
     
  23. oldwood
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    from arkansas

    '62 is the 1st year of the Aluminum TF.
     
  24. bchctybob
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    And of course, the Holy Grail of TF shifters....
    Art Carr shifter.jpg
     
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  25. AndersF
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    The early TF did not have a park.
    I am not sure wich year it was added.
    My 59 Dodge dont have that but my 63 Chrysler has.
    On the 63 it is a separate cable to engaged the park.
    All wireoperated TF with park had this.
    And if i remember it correct it goes in behind the oilpan on the underside.
     
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