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Technical Buying an econoline van

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  1. hillbilly4008
    Joined: Feb 13, 2009
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    from Rome NY

    Hi all, like the title says I'm picking up an early econoline on Monday. Saving it from the crusher.

    Problem is the front straight axle is missing. It will be put on my trailer with a loader, and most likely skidded off.

    What are my options for a replacement front axle?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. hillbilly4008
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    hillbilly4008
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    from Rome NY

  3. badshifter
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    What’s wrong with buying another econoline axle? Were the wheel wells cut or is that rust? Cause if it’s rust, my guess is an axle is the least of your problems. Good luck!
     
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  4. 41rodderz
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    from Oregon

    Wonky wheel well cutting .
     

  5. hillbilly4008
    Joined: Feb 13, 2009
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    from Rome NY

    Its rot. I'm in New York state, honestly for a 60yo vehicle from here it's not that bad.

    The plan is to cut some wheel arches from another car and graft them in.

    Finding another econoline axle nearby isn't going to happen...
     
  6. TrailerTrashToo
    Joined: Jun 20, 2018
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    Old telephone company van. Simplest option as another first generation Econoline axle. The straight axle Econolines did not like to track in a straight line. Might want to consider a little more camber when you install the front axle.
     
  7. Budget36
    Joined: Nov 29, 2014
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    Is a tube axle an option for a Van like that?
     
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  8. http://econoline.org/index.shtml

    Econoline Front Axles

    Axle
    Other than a slight change in the weight bearing capacity, the front axles on all Econolines are the same and are interchangable.

    • 1961 Front Axle, 1900 lb. capacity, Part# C1UU-3010
    • 1962 Front Axle, 2050 lb. capacity, Part# C???-3010
    • 1963-1967 Front Axle, 2150 lb. capacity, Part# C5UZ-3010-A
    • # C5TA-3010-E
    Years 1961 1962 1963-1967
    Part # C1UU-3010 C???-3010 C5UZ-3010-A
    Casting # C1UU-3010-A - C5TA-3010-E-A
    Capacity 1900 lb. 2050 lb. 2150 lb.
    Spindle Bolt Centers - - 53.06"
    Spring Seat Centers - - 35.76"
    Spindle Bolt I.D. - - 0.74"
    U-Bolt holes (left-right) - - 2.80"
    U-Bolt holes (front-back) - - 2.50"
    Spindle Centerline to Top of Spring Pad - - 2.50"
    Spindle Bolt inclination - - 7°35' - 7°25'
    Spindle Bolts - King Pins
    Two different king pins were used: 1961-1963 and 1964-1967.

    1961-1963 King Pin Set
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    Standard king pin set, Ford # C1UZ 3111-C

    • 4) C1UU 3110-A Spindle Bushing, 1 1/4" long
    • 2) C1UU 3115-A Spindle Bolt
      • Length 6.20"
      • O.D. 0.74"
    • 2) C4UA 3123-A Bearing, 3/4" I.D. - 1 5/8" O.D.
    • 4) C1UU 3125-A Dust Seal, neoprene 0.40" I.D.
    • 2) 352655-S8(NN72) Locking Pin, 1 7/16" long
    0.010" over-size king pin set, Ford # C1UZ 3111-D

    • 4) C6TA 3110-F Bushing
    • 2) C6TA 3115-B Bolt
      • Length 6.20"
      • O.D. 0.75"
    • 2) C6TA 3123-B Bearing, 0.76" I.D. - 1 5/8" O.D.
    • 4) B7C 3125-A Dust Seal, neoprene 0.44" I.D.
    • 2) 352655-S8(NN72) Locking Pin, 1 7/16" long
    1964-1967 King Pin Set
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    standard king pin set, Ford # C4UZ 3111-B

    There are no oversize king pins for 1964-1967.

    NOTE: Replacement 1964-1967 king pins usually come with the locking pin groove cut too deep, which will cause the pins to wear out prematurely. The thickness of the king pin at the groove should be 0.662 inch. The bad pins have a thickness of 0.644 inch. The correct groove can be cut on the other side of the pin if you have the right tools.

    Front Brakes: 1961-1967
    Brake Shoes = 10" x 2.50" (Raybestos 169PG)

    Front Hub & Brake Drum Assembly (10" x 2.5")

    • Regular Brakes = C1UU 1102-A
    • Heavy-Duty Brakes (finned-drum option in 1966-1967, but will work for all years) = C6TZ 1102-A (Raybestos 2648R)
    Hub Bolts = C1AZ 1107-A (1/2"-20 x 1 15/32")

    Hub Nuts (lug nuts) = B 1012, C0AZ 1012-A (1/2"-20)

    Retainer

    • 1961-1966 = C1UZ 1190-A
    • 1967 = C7TZ 1190-E
    Washer = C2AZ 1195-A

    Inner Bearing Cup = B5A 1202-A

    Outer Bearing Cup = B5A 1217-A

    Inner Bearing = B5A 1201-A

    Outer Bearing = B5A 1216-A

    Wheel Cylinder, Front Left - Dorman W18290

    Wheel Cylinder, Front Right - Dorman W18291

    Spindle Assembly
    1961-1963 Right - C1UU 3105-A
    1961-1963 Left - C1UU 3106-A

    • Inner Bearing diameter 1.75"
    • Outer Bearing diameter 0.75"
    • Bolt Hole diameter 0.74"


    1964-1967 Right - C4UZ 3105-A
    1964-1967 Left - C4UZ 3106-A

    Spindle Arm
    1961-1967 Right - C1UU 3130-A

    1961-1964 (before serial# 490001) Left - C1UU 3131-A

    1964-1967 (from serial# 490001) Left - C1UZ 3131-A

    Tie Rod (spindle connecting rod)
    1961-1963 Right End Kit - C1UZ 3A130-A

    • C1TT 3289-C or C1UU 3289-A End
    • 72035-S7-8 C-pin
    • 351059-S Nut
    1961-1963 Left End Kit - C1UZ 3A131-A

    • C1TT 3290-C or C1UU 3290-A End
    • 72035-S7-8 C-pin
    • 351059-S Nut
    1961-1963 Tie rod with clamps and ends - C1UU 3280-B

    1961-1963 Tie rod tube with clamps - C1UZ 3281-A

    1964-1967 Right end - C4UZ 3A130-A

    1964-1967 Left end - C4UZ 3A131-A

    1964-1967 Tie rod with clamps and ends - C4UZ 3280-A

    1964-1967 Tie rod tube with clamps - C4UZ 3281-A

    Alignment Specifications
    Since the axles were the same from 1961 to 1967, the specs should be too. My guess is that 1967 specs are the best to use for all years. I'll keep checking into that.

    Caster
    1961
    1962-1965 1966 1967
    Caster angle (backward tilt from true vertical) +3 1/2°± 3/4° +5°± 3/4° +5 1/4°± 3/4° +5°± 3/4°
    Max difference between both front wheels 3/4° 1/2°
    Camber
    Camber angle (top of wheel tilts out) 3/8° ± 1/4° 3/8° ± 1/4° 3/8° ± 1/4° 1/2° ± 1/4°
    Maximum difference between both front wheel camber angles 1/4°
    Tread and Toe
    Front Tread = 60 inches
    Rear Tread = 60 1/4 inches
    Toe-In (amount wheels turn inward, towards each other, at the front)= 3/32 ± 1/32 inches
    Toe-Out on turns = 21 1/2° (Angle of inside wheel when outside wheel is turned 20°)
     
  9. Rusty O'Toole
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    Are they different from the solid axle used in Ford pickups to 1964? I know they were a lighter vehicle but did they bother to make a new axle for them?
    If no front axle can be found would a Ford Crown Vic front suspension be too wide?
     
  10. 0NE BAD 51 MERC
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    I built a 62 pickup about 18 years ago. 302 auto, and ranger 8.8. At that time nothing available for brake up grade. Handel okay but brakes where not much. Replacement factory spec springs and aftermarket tube axle with Ford or Chevy spindel's and aftermarket disc brakes would be quick, easy and much more available than original GASSER desired pieces . Just my 2 cents Larry
     
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    1967 Ford ECONOLINE STRAIGHT AXLE - $150 (Nashport)
    Complete straight axle out of a 1967 Ford Econoline. Has complete brake drums set upDoes not have leaf springsAsking $100 oboText clay at . Text first pleaseRat rod. Ratrod straight axle. Gasser

    10 months ago
    Columbus, OH
    $150.00
     
  13. bill gruendeman
    Joined: Jun 18, 2019
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    I would try to find a parts truck with the axle in place, who know what else you could use
     
  14. If it's a Telephone truck and it looks like it is.....they originally had posi tracks in them....
     
  15. dan c
    Joined: Jan 30, 2012
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    i think the econoline axle is a bit wider. i had an army buddy who was going home to an early falcon gasser project and he told me the e-100 axle was way too wide. i had an ex-coca cola truck, a '67. came with a 170, stick and 4.10 gears. i swapped in a 250 (maverick, etc.) and it hauled ass. put in a 3.50 third member so i could do highway driving. transmissions for the small 6 have a very low first gear...
     
  16. hillbilly4008
    Joined: Feb 13, 2009
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    from Rome NY

    It's a sickness, but the rear axle alone is worth what I paid for it 20201005_115341.jpeg 20201005_110511.jpeg 20201005_120141.jpeg 20201005_120154.jpeg 20201005_120210.jpeg 20201005_120215.jpeg 20201005_120446.jpeg

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  17. Does this qualify as a hot rod, just because it's pre-'65??
     
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  18. ChuckleHead_Al
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    Econolines are fucking cool
     
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  19. Boneyard51
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    Different folks like different stuff. That’s what makes the world go around! I personally like the newer side of the rules, hence my car in my avatar. I also have a station wagon of that year. BUT, I appreciate the older cars too. Especially the 34 Ford. The most beautiful car ever made! Sometimes folks get what’s available. Most of the older cars are out of my price range! And .. oh... I built and still have a 1960 Econoline, with a 200 cid six and 3 speed overdrive and a 4:11 trac-lock nine inch. So I could be biased. But a T- bucket is in my future.....I hope! Lol








    Bones
     
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  20. Greg Rogers
    Joined: Oct 11, 2016
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    This stuff cracks me up........
     
  21. The springs are still there. Then that axle without springs I posted might still be available. They dropped price to $100. Old ad. I bet they might just give it to you if they still have it. Especially if you show them what you would be using on . IMHO.
     

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