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Technical Ford flathead V8 i.d. please type ☆B18F☆

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by dutch deuce, May 28, 2020.

  1. In a few days i have to register my 32 tudor for a Dutch registration.
    Original engine was cracked and not worth repairing.
    For registration i probably have to prove where it came out and what specifications it has.
    Engine now be a 1937 out of probably a firetruck.
    Engine number starts with ☆B18F☆
    Anyone has an idea where it came out originally.
    Some numbers also look odd .
    Any help is appriciated IMG-20200528-WA0001.jpg
     

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  2. 51504bat
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    Is the number in the photo on the frame or engine? Not sure from the photo but it doesn't look like its on the frame. Ford stamped ID numbers on the frame but not on the engine.
     
  3. rusty valley
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    B18 is the prefix for the frame number. then, the vin number is between the stars. as stated above, ford did not put that on the motor, but for some unknown reason it shows up from time to time. go to vanpelts sales and look up the number between the stars. the IND at the end may be industrial, like a power unit motor
     
  4. flatford39
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    That number is on the intake deck. Can't say if I ever saw one there along with the numbers look like it wasn't done at the factory but maybe a rebuilder shop did it.
     

  5. Fortunateson
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    I have a C0BA block that had a Ford number stamped on the top deck. When the engine was rebuilt it was "X-ed" out and a new number was stamped by the rebuilder. So Ford did stamp some blocks. Now perhaps this is a Canadian thing... does the bellhousing have a C cast into it?
     
  6. 1946caddy
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    This serial number was obviously stamped by someone other than at the factory. The very first number used in 1932 was preceded by a number 18 and no letters. ( *18-001* and the last serial number used in 1942 was *18-6925898*. The number you have listed is 360,442 after the last vehicle build by Ford in 1942 using the 18 numbers sequence. Your numbers were also not stamped by the approved stamps used by Ford, either the early or late stamps.
    How about a picture of the engine? Is it a 21 or 24 stud engine?
    http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/flathead_serialnumbers.htm
     
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  7. It's a 21 stud engine
     
  8. Number is on the engine. In Europe it was common to stamp also the engine as they were part of the registration.
     
  9. RustyValley has a point with IND. The engine probably powered the firetruck water pumps , not the firetruck itself. Good luck with the RDW / DMV Hennie. Was the car a 4 cylinder first ? Otherwise i see no problem with the V8.
     
  10. alchemy
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    The B18 is also confusing. Beginning in 1932 the B was used for 4 cylinder cars, and the 18 was used for V8 cars. Never together.

    Does anyone know if Ford Europe had a different style letter stamp? If not, those stamps on your block are not official Ford. Ford had a very particular letter style and those don't match at all.
     
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  11. Car is a V8 from the factory. Original V8 Ford tag on the firewall. This may sounds strange for US Ford 32 owners but that's how they came from the factory in Asnieres, Paris and probably other factories outside USA.
     
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  12. mkubacak
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    Since Ford seems to have done things a little different in Europe compared to the US, and I have no idea what you need to do to get registration over there, here are a few thoughts. Do you still have the original engine? Did the original engine have stamped numbers that matched numbers on the body or the frame? If you do have the original engine and there are some numbers that match and you can show that the original engine is not usable, can you use all of this evidence to show what you have done? Hopefully, if needed, you have receipts and/or documentation on how you acquired the replacement engine.
     
  13. I do have the original engine which has like the gearbox a 5 digit nummer 44***
    No prefix or *18* before it just this 5 digit number. The engine is visually in bad condition so I will take it to the inspection also. Like you said the numbers in Europe are sometimes or maybe even most of the times different from the US.
    My other 1932 V8 has a 6 digit number starting with 0050** and also have nothing before or after this number.

    Hennie
     
  14. 1946caddy
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    As has been stated, Ford did not stamp it's engines. When cars and trucks were shipped to other countries, those countries requiring engine stamps probably stamped them upon receipt of those vehicles. You can't rule out that engines were shipped to other countries as replacement engines by themselves or with transmissions. We can see that the numbers stamped do not meet Ford's requirement for type of stamp.
    What we know is that the engine was produced by Ford and it's a 21 stud engine.
    Could this be a French Ford engine?
    This should be all the info you need to register your engine as far as when and were it was made and the engine statistics.
    Year Displacement (Cubic Inches) Bore & Stroke (Inches) Maximum Brake HP Compression Ratio Head Studs Notes
    1932
    221 3.0625 x 3.750 65 5.50:1 21 1,3,5,7
    1933 221 3.0625 x 3.750 75 6.30:1 (alum heads) 21 1,3,5,6&7
    1934 221 3.0625 x 3.750 85 6.30:1 (alum heads) 21 1,3,5,6
    1935 221 3.0625 x 3.750 85 6.30:1 (alum heads) 21 1,3,6
    1936 221 3.0625 x 3.750 85 6.30:1 (alum heads) 21 1,4,6
    1937 221 3.0625 x 3.750 85 6.12:1 (alum.heads)
    7.50:1 (cast iron) 21 2,4,6&7
    1938
    early
    221 3.0625 x 3.750 85 6.12:1 (alum or cast iron heads) 21 2,4,7
    Notes:
    1) Water pumps mounted in the heads.
    2) Water pumps mounted in the block.
    3) Poured main bearings.
    4) Insert type main bearings (Note: late 1936 model engine blocks were usually marked LB*).
    5) Did not have camshaft bearings
    6) Aluminum heads. Truck engines for these years had cast iron heads. Note that Ford sold replacement heads in cast iron
    7) Cast iron heads.
     

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