Can anyone help me with my project. I'm reworking a modified '41 Ford Deluxe and changing it to a 12 V system as the old wiring was terrible. It had a push button start button on the dash console. Before it was worked on I'd flip up the ignition switch and then push the button. As long as it was pushed down the starter spun. I'd like to reuse it but am a loss at how to run the wire(s). I'd sure appreciate the help.
The button actually makes a ground connection to your solenoid. Your solenoid activates by ground not by the Hotwire. Run a ground wire from the button to your solenoid ground terminal.
I would use that solenoid with any engine, that way you can still use the stock button. If it's going to a starter mounted solenoid then you can get another button to run the solenoid wire through it (cole hersee 9011 or standard ignition ssb-1 are the closest looking). I used the SS-587 and a relay on my '47 so you can't even crank it unless the ignition switch is on..........it will crank the starter with nothing on in stock form.
Standard motors products (SMP) and I’m sure others, used to make a continuous duty solenoid that can be used with a ground exciter or 12 volts positive exciter. I used them all the time on firetrucks, back in the day. Heavy duty universal relay, but cost more that a lot of others, but you get what you pay more. Bones
What you call a "solenoid" is probably actually a relay...but the terminology isn't important. (a solenoid is an electromagnet that pulls something. A relay is a solenoid that actuates an electrical switch.) Which specific 12v solenoid do you have? Either a picture or a part number, or what car it was originally for, would help us help you figure it out.
Instead of the start position being on the ignition switch, it sounds like you want the start button to carry 12 v + from the ignition switch 'on' position through the neutral safety switch to the starter solenoid. The would require a two wire momentary start button. Phil
There's no part number. I'll try sending a pic. I think the two big side bolts are Battery on the left, starter on the right, but on the top, the little one marked with an "I" is ? the ground to the button? and the one on the left marked "S" is ???? If you straighten me out I'd appreciate it.
To make it work with the stock push button you need a insulated base. The SS-587 is what you need, you can give that number to the parts store and they can cross reference into a part number they have. Then it’s battery in on one side, starter out the other side and the wire from the push button to the front pole. The one you have might be 6v.
https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/...ndard-ignition-starter-solenoid/ss587/5822925 So...this one works by grounding the S terminal, to energize it? The one in the picture that he's using, requires 12v be sent to the S terminal to energize it.
Thought I was done with the questions but looked over schematic 2 and had some new ones. 1) It's hard to make out if the pole at the top of #2's drawing is a "B" or and "S". From what 1Oldtimer said I believe it should be the battery but??? If it is the batter what is the relationship with ignition? If installed in as I believe you're indicating, are the starter and the ignition separate? Thanks again in advance. (PS. I ordered the ss587.)
Top terminal in drawing is B, only thing that goes here is battery cable and power feed wire for rest of system. Should be 5/16 stud closest to small stud. Other 5/16 stud goes to starter. Add a wire from starter button to small stud and it should crank over. I can draw you a simple diagram when home later, not smart enough to do on my phone, lol.
Thanks for the clarification. I can handle it from here. I really appreciate you taking the time to help me.
In Circuit #2 the switch part is the battery and starter (the coil inside needs a ground to activate from your push button). You're going to lose the "I" terminal that was on the stock relay. If you really think you need the "I" terminal then you can go with a SS-582 (circuit #7), but you'll have to run a wire from "S" terminal to the battery lug on the side and your push button to the ground lug on the back. But I think you'll be ok without the "I" terminal hookup.
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