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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Allkiller48, Jan 27, 2020.

  1. Allkiller48
    Joined: Jan 27, 2020
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    Allkiller48

    Ive bought a Hemi I' ve decoded with help from your boards on here as a Industrial 331 with 354 heads
    Am I right or am I making an error [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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  2. Allkiller48
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    Allkiller48

    There is no stamp on the valley pad, its clean and untouched.
     
  3. Budget36
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    There is a post about Hemi's that might help, I think it's called "HEMI Tech".
     
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  4. It doesn’t really matter,,,,it’s a Hemi !
    Good enough,,,you can find the rest out later.

    Tommy
     
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  5. Pretty sure they didn't make 331s in '56. Changed to 354s as smallest hemi that year. Also pretty sure 354 was the 'standard' indusreial engines in late 50s? You probably have a factory 354. Check bore. 3.8125" (3 13/16") is 331, 3.9375" (3 15/16") is 354.
     
  6. tubman
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    My '56 truck engine is a 331. It has the proper code (VT-448) stamped on the top of the block. I sure wish it was 354.
     
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  7. Hemi Joel
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    You are correct, it is a 56 331 with 56 354 heads.
     
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  8. George
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    Block casting number is 55-56 331 Industrial, as is IND 56 stamping, and those are '56 354 heads.
     
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  9. Let's see a pic of the timing chain area. There were two different 354 covers. One of them covered water holes. Hot heads offeres both covers.
     
  10. Allkiller48
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    Allkiller48

    Its 3.8125 so 331 thanks
     
  11. Allkiller48
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    Allkiller48

    Thanks very much, not bothered about the size....as was said Its a HEMI
     
  12. Allkiller48
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    Allkiller48

    THANKS FOR CONFIRMING
     
  13. Allkiller48
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    Allkiller48

    NEXT TRIP TO THE GARAGE, I WILL
     
  14. Allkiller48
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    Allkiller48

    Going to pull the motor apart, hot tank it with heads and rocker gear, if its ok and not much wear,
    hone, then new cam, rings, shells.
    any help on what cam to use, little bit more power but this is for a Kustom not...... racing, he says :D
     
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  15. George
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    On a cam talk to Bob @ HH. He'll ask about a bunch of factors. As was mentioned above check out the Hemi tech Index if you haven't.
     
  16. SEAAIRE354
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    I didn’t see a pic but make sure it doesn’t use timing gears. I believe the crank is machine differently and won’t except a traditional chain set. I have two industrial Hemi’s and both have chains and the only gear drives I’ve seen were marine but some people say that the industrial engines could have them.


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  17. Bore it an eighth and its a 354!!
     
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  18. Allkiller48
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    Allkiller48

    I will do
     
  19. Allkiller48
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    Allkiller48

    Its definitely chain, thanks for the heads up
     
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  20. Allkiller48
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    Yeah I guessed that was possible, engine is n England, all parts will have to come from U.S.... duty and shpping gets expensive
     
  21. tubman
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    How reliably will these take an 1/8" overbore? I only went .060" on the advice of my machinist on the '54 New Yorker engine in my dirt modified. Can you do it with confidence without sonic testing?
     
  22. George
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    In theory they can go .125, but I wouldn't w/o a sonic check. Personally I like to have as much cyl wall as possible.
     
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  23. George
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    Bob asked CID, C/R, tranny, rear axle ratio, weight of car, what you want to do..cruiser, racer, rumble around town, ect. He sent me a Howards cam and it was cheaper than buying direct, at least at that time.
     
  24. 73RR
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    There is no real advantage in cutting the holes an 1/8 of an inch unless you need the additional inches or a slight c/r bump. You could use std bore 354 pistons. 1956 pistons with a 56 head will be around 9:1 or so. If you need more c/r, go straight to forgings. Generally, the Industrial and Truck engines have lower c/r than does the Pass car; yours is likely around the 7.5 mark.
    As to cam, since you are at a fairly low c/r in stock form then you should stay very conservative with lift and duration.
    Isky is a good choice and their prices seem to be reasonable if you are buying direct. They may, or may not, ship outside of the US.

    If you are doing some cleanup work then pay particular attention to the condition of the rocker assemblies. Remove the plugs from the ends of the shafts before hot-tanking them and then be sure to clean out all of the fairly small feed holes in both the shafts and the rocker arms. You may want to do one side at a time so that you have a finished example for reassembly.
    Send an email if you need additional help.

    .
     
  25. Allkiller48
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    Thanks very much for advice, taken onboard, and will do that :cool:
     
  26. Allkiller48
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    Allkiller48

    20200130_180912.jpg 20200130_143010.jpg 20200130_143028.jpg 20200130_143039.jpg 20200130_143206.jpg 20200130_143208.jpg 20200130_180754.jpg 20200130_180808.jpg 20200130_180823 (1).jpg 20200130_180823.jpg 20200130_180833.jpg 20200130_180851.jpg 20200130_180912.jpg Oh... tear down produced a little bodge piston 3 eek !!
     
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  27. Allkiller48
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    Allkiller48

    piston 1 and 7 are very stuck at moment crank out and have a good look lots of penetrating fluid or Coke
     
  28. Gotgas
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    Oof, a mess. Hopefully the block and crank are okay. Look at it as "opportunity." You get to upgrade rods and pistons! :D

    Looks like it was already .030" over...
     
  29. Are the rods bad ?
    The Hemis had excellent rods from the factory,,,,no reason to not reuse them unless it is going to be a very high HP engine.
    I guess it depends on what you have planned ?
    Judging by the chamfer on the crank oil journals,,,it might have been turned as well,,,,,might be able to just polish it and keep the same size journals.

    Tommy
     
  30. Ebbsspeed
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    I assume you busted up those pistons to remove them, right?
     
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