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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by 34Larry, Oct 23, 2019.

  1. 34Larry
    Joined: Apr 25, 2011
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    Been sort of a a-hole maverick this week on the drawer pull thread so in order to stay pretty close to the same mind set, but trying to avoid being against another loved thing in the R & C side of world concerns, I ask that I be brought up to date and shool'd on why the infatuation with patina.? Personally I see absolutely nothing to approve of in either leaving a perfectly running, safe, car with a potentially great appearing finish, looking like some one has run short of funds or talent with the car. I Just don't get it,:confused: so reason me out.
     
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  2. LAROKE
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    I'm with you. I've actually seen rust wraps on late model, high-buck, eurotrash rides here in Boca Raton. it's got me scratchin' my head.
     
  3. nochop
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    from norcal

    Flat black Mercedes, no
     
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  5. Boneyard51
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    I don’t like it either, it’s just a fad. Maybe it will pass soon???







    Bones
     
  6. upspirate
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    I saw a real, old, barn find hot rod roadster from the '50's up in Ocala at a cruise night that was towed there.
    Someone had either just found it, or just finally decided to bring it out.
    That was cool, and I probably would have just got it running and reliable, but the paint was presentable, and didn't have rust and holes etc.
    But most of these "patina" cars look like crap in my opinion esp the ones made to look that way
     
  7. 302GMC
    Joined: Dec 15, 2005
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    Opinion ... compares to the fad of painting everything on a vehicle the same color, or those silly giant splashes of liquid (?) on the sides. One person did it, and everybody else had to do it, too. Problem is, it won't go away ...
     
  8. If you like it fine, if you don't like it fine, this is after all the hamb and we usually agree to disagree, now I'm confused. :rolleyes: :D HRP
     
  9. KevKo
    Joined: Jun 25, 2009
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    from Motown

    I like it. But not the ones with clear gloss over it. Possible reasons; a big F-off to the establishment, cost, or because you don't have to worry about leaning on it, scratches, etc.
     
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  10. belair
    Joined: Jul 10, 2006
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    I don't like it either, and I think most of the "kids" who built them back in the day couldn't wait to be able to afford the nice, new paint job that after 50 years became today's over-rated patina.
     
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  11. Paul
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    Wabi Sabi, loosely defined: the acceptance of transience and imperfection or impermanence or incompletion, showing honest evidence of suffering, use or abuse.
    Can invoke deeper feelings than just one more shiny doodad.
    the key word is honesty, it can't be faked.
    a plastic wrap meant to look like honest wear and tear comes across as cheap and false
     
  12. Im just glad I don't care how someone else builds their ride
    you like painted.....cool
    you like patina .....cool
    just make it safe to drive
    Im not painting mine (at this point anyway) because I don't get paid to paint mine
    Of course I dont get paid to do the other stuff either. Today, with the 50+ year old junk we build, the bodywork, fitment and paint is the biggest expense. (if perfection is desired)
    At this point with my personal rides Im happy with a mechanical restored/modified car wearing its as found finish.
    We are not building 10-20 year old cars in good shape anymore, most of us are building the past generations parts cars.
    I don't see patina as a fad (maybe the fake stuff) but as an appreciation for an honest, well lived life of a vehicle.

    how many time are folks gonna beat this dead horse anyway?
     
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  13. squirrel
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    I've "done" several cars so they look good, and I've put miles on several others that are just as I found them, and they're all just fine and dandy. and the ones that didn't get anything done to the body, cost a lot less time/effort on my part. I like that it's OK to not bother making cars pretty these days. But I also am confused by the guys who actually put some effort into making a car look neglected. That doesn't make a lick of sense to me.
     
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  14. error404
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    I don't like washing and buffing cars, and I don't really think vehicles have to be shiney to look good. So I generally just prefer to leave it looking as it is. I wouldn't go out of my way to MAKE it look old and beat up though.

    Also, good paint job is expensive, and if I had 20k in paint, I wouldn't want to drive it :D
     
  15. Truck64
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    For my part "patina" means an original factory paint job that while definitely showing its age with road scars, honest wear, sun and wind, it is presentable when taken as a whole. It doesn't mean rust. It applies mostly to trucks to my way of thinking for some reason. I happen to like factory enamel and the colors they used way back when.

    Given that quality bodywork and paint + labor is damnably expensive these days this approach makes a lot of sense. Very few cars or trucks qualify, now it's just an overused term like "L@@k!!!" or "NOS!!". It's just word salad.
     
  16. 41rodderz
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    Until their arms get tired, Anthony. :D
     
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  17. 41rodderz
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    Personally, either way works for me. I put the money into new parts for suspension, steering, engine/trans/rear and tires. If it gets a shiney new coat great but it will have to be done by me. I cannot see spending the going rate for a mile deep shine then fretting about driving it. Sucks all the pleasure out of cruising hundreds of miles.
     
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  18. Corn Fed
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    After living thru the smoothie, pastel, plastic looking cars of the 80’s & 90’s that lacked a soul, I dig an honest old paint that was applied 50 or more years ago by a long ago hot rodder. The current faked, scared to get a chip in the rubbed thru patina, is as bad as a splash graphic and is not what I’m talking about here. It has to be a real earned age that shows it as a survivor. And no, 80% surface rust or gaping holes is too far gone to qualify.

    Don’t get me wrong, I still like a shiny paint car too. I have both nice paint and old paint cars. Both styles have their place and fun level. I have blasted my fenderless “patina” 28 PU down gravel roads kickin’ up dust and throwin’ out rocks, but I wouldn’t dare do that with the other cars.
     
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  19. squirrel
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    I do that with my nice painted cars. Of course, I didn't spend 20k for the paint jobs....
     
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  20. Something about original paint just talks to me. I love love love original paint vehicles and seek out cars and pickups that wear original paint. Even old paint works. Sometimes that means a little surface rust too. I recently purchased a 1961 F100 that is a 1 owner and just turned 19,000 miles in my ownership. The paint is very presentable, but being a truck it is used. There is no way I would ever paint this truck, and no way I would have even looked at it if it had a shiny new paint job. Old, worn paint tells a story that can’t be replicated. Some cars are a little too heavy on “patina”, and others are just right. I know guys will never get it, and that’s ok. There’s plenty of stuff people do that I will never get

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  21. gonna add this tidbit
    after 20 years of high end European and hot rod builds, the wearing of gloves just to touch a car is great for work but not personally. I loved the detail work and the appreciation of quality work, but these cars were rarely driven.
    I like to drive old rides, rain, mud, gravel roads, bumper to bumper traffic, parts chasing, trips to the lumber yard.........
    All the nice stuff I have worked on sits in garages, gets cleaned up and loaded to a show. (occasionally)
    I just don't have any interest in that personally but I'm glad that people do. It paid the bills and was a blast for an occupation.
    I dismantled my 49 GMC and blasted it 15 +years ago. I thought it had to be perfect, I didnt realize it at the time but it already was. Faded green paint, some slight surface rust, and lots of honest truck use.
    I drove the thing everyday, now its still awaiting its restoration.
    man was I dumb back then
     
  22. as far as monetary value, you would waste 75-90% of every dollar spent on paint work if you painted that truck
     
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  23. Chicster
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    I get the original patina vehicles but it's the fake stuff I just won't even look at.
     
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  24. dana barlow
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    1. Y-blocks

    Custom grill design is not EZ' too get so most may like it,so it's a thing I look at as ,,good try or not !
    Patina,I see as a French word that means used up,screwed up an needs fixing! "Excuse my French"
    Primer is preparation for finish paint=if it's flat,no matter what fake name you call it,it's primer an NOT A FINISH.plus no one in the 1950s or early 60s thought it was a finish.
    But there are weird exceptions too every rule.
     
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  25. Although just this morning, driving to work I stopped at the gas station. A guy pulled in next to me at the pump, and asked when I was going to restore it

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  26. badvolvo
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    Well now, my Dad loves his model A's - stock. I like my model A's hot rodded (ok, i have a bunch of Chevys). My son loves his 1st gen 240z, My wife loves her Subaru (and her 36 Chevy).
    Personally, I always start with Junk and have to cut out rust and weld in steel, then I prime, paint, cut, buff. So I guess you can tell I am not a fan of rust, or I mean patina. Although we have a 49 Willys truck in the family, It is so faded, but rust free, and I like it with the original faded red paint, it now looks like red primer job, but it is the OEM paint job. I guess on that one I like the "patina".
     
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  27. The37Kid
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    There are cars, trucks and bikes that have the right patina, they survived all these years and do not need a restoration. If you don't understand that, I don't have the time to explain it. Bob
     
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  28. Z06-LITE
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    The first time I heard the word "Patina", I thought they were talking about that cute little black girl at the local high school. :rolleyes:
     
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  29. I like original paint or old paint that may have flaws. To me, thats "patina" but once it starts rusting, to me thats no longer patina but degradation. Flawed paint is fine, but I don't get why anyone would like rust, or an inch of accumulated dust/dirt on their car. I have always tried to get rid of rust.
     
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  30. flatford39
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    I actually saw one recently...it looked like shit.
     
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