History H.A.M.B. Cars that pushed the limits (Vintage only Please.)

There was a thread post by @Tickety Boo asking about when drag racers started running four links.
I posted that the Ram Chargers High and Mighty ran one back in the 50's.
I also posted that I fully understand these types of rules to keep the cars running period correct parts.
However many times the person writing the rules uses what they personally have seen or read about in magazines to determine what is or is not period correct. Yes magazines are a good tool but think of the hundreds perhaps thousands of cars built and how few got magazine coverage.

In my opinion there have always been welders, mills, lathes and steel tube, and innovators.

So I ask you to post history/photographs of any H.A.M.B friendly cars that push the limits.

The Nolan Swift Super Modified built in the winter of 1960 for the 1961 season.
The frame was built out of tubing, just like the Indy cars of the day. Most if not all supers used stock frames at that time.
That chassis ran from 1961 to 1974 it was that far a head of its time!
Many features of this car like the torsion bar rear suspension which is now the standard of northeast dirt modifieds, would not become common place until the mid seventies.
But many people would and do clam that tube chassis stock cars are a new thing!


The Chrisman brothers coupe radically chopped, with a sharply laid-back windshield, mail slot windows and a slippery nose cone fabricated from two 40 Ford hoods transmission and rear end were a modular unit behind the driver, with a tubular steel frame and a full roll cage.


Let's see them guys!

 

This can be a wonderful thread, hope it catches on.

 

The Carrillo Roadster owned and restored by HAMBer Frank Morawski. Built on frame rails that came from PBY aircraft wing struts from WW II. First use of the new material chromoly steel outside the military. The car ran 178 MPH in 1950...…..complete with duck under roll bar



This photo was taken in 2010 when the car was on the lawn at Pebble Beach . As a special side note, the tires on the car in the photo are the same tires that were on the car when it ran 178 MPH...…late 40's Indy 500 tires

 

Mickey Thompson CHALLENGER-

 

I can think of two. The Mallicoat Brothers 40 Willys with a twin turboed 327 that won the 65 Winternationals in B/GS. The second, Bud Faubels twin turboed and intercooled Hemi Honker.

 

I don't have the pictures but Cotton Werksman's cars were sure a combination of old and new.
Pete

 

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Not quite what I had in mind, but there would be no racing, or hot rodding without this car!

 

The High & Mighty - first drag car to use a 4-link rear suspension, first tunnel ram among other firsts.

 

Just like the Chrisman Bros. The first ones to push the limits were the pierson Bros. with their '34 Ford coupe by choping the roof 9" inches and laying the windshield back to 50 degrees because the rules only said the windshield had to be 7" inches but didn't say anything about the angle.

 

Smokey Yunick’s “sidecar” (or “capsule car,” as Yunick himself reportedly preferred) sat the driver in a small side pod, with the fuselage of the car reserved for the fuel tank, engine and running gear. The idea was to optimize front-to-rear weight balance, while offsetting the side-to-side weight balance to the left. Doing so would create a near perfectly balanced race car on left turns, without negatively impacting stability on straights.Smokey arranged the three greatest masses—engine, driver, and fuel load—so that the vehicle’s weight distribution was balanced front/rear and biased to the left, but remained constant throughout the race. Originally intended to use a helicopter turbine to power the capsule car, but his deal with the supplier fell through in mid-build.

Built for the 1964 Indy 500

The front suspension setup features a transverse leaf spring, which doubles as the upper lateral locating link on each side. The front spindles, backing plates, and brakes are 1963 Pontiac Tempest components, including the finned aluminum drums with cast-iron liners.


Ironically Smokey wanted Fireball Roberts to drive the car, but Roberts thought the car was dangerous and ran the World 600 instead.

 

T.V. Tommy's Showboat

 

Great examples of outside the box thinking, any more out there? Love that modified! Thanks.

 

Today, the car would be hauled in a hyper expensive enclosed toy hauler...

 

Maybe not!

Roo

 

That's a pretty trick open trailer and not cheap.

 

Not as outrageous as some of the other cars on the list Glen Wood of the famous Wood Brothers Racing "Back Seat" Modified
Back in the old Modified days, where rules were much more liberal than today, teams got more rear grip and thus more acceleration off the corners, by moving the engine rearward in the car. Glen Wood and his brother Leonard kept moving the engine back in their 1937 Ford until the driver was sitting in the back seat of the car.
“We wound up putting the engine further back than we aimed to, to get everything to fit right,” Leonard Wood said. “It put the driver in the back seat. We put a long steering shaft on it and took a Ford Falcon steering wheel that was deep dished to get it back a little more.”
The Woods’ Modified was powered by a 361-cubic-inch engine taken from Glen’s 1958 Edsel. It was bored out to 370-cubic-inches with three Stromberg carburetors using methanol, instead of gasoline.
“Those Stromberg carburetors are the best you could get for burning methanol,” Leonard Wood said.
the back seat car was all but unbeatable on the short tracks around Virginia and North Carolina. It won eight in a row at Starkey Speedway near Roanoke, countless features and a championship at Bowman Gray and a big Modified race at Martinsville Speedway.

Text from Wood Brothers Racing web site

 

Great thread. I love the radical stuff. Hot rodding is about innovating!

 

Kenz and Leslie Odd Rod
Twin Engine
Independent rear with torsion bars.

 

Stu Hillborn adapted fuel injection to the engine in his streamliner that went 150M.P.H the first time out at the lakes.

 

But it is not a "hyper expensive toy hauler", just the simplest most practical way to get that style of car to the salt. And note that the support trailer is a no frills deal, just a plain box unit.

Roo

 

I concur!
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The Orange Crate, built for Bob Tindle, by Keith Randol, was far ahead of it's time and a well engineered piece. Had it not spent it's time on the show circuit instead of the strip, and knowing Keith, it would have been more competitive as a race car.

 

The Bill Burke Belly Tanker, The first drop tank race car

 

guy little's BIG AL '33 ford sedan with the aircraft engine and fiberglass body.

 

@Robert J. Palmer I agree this topic is an influential element of the Big Picture In Hotrod/Custom/Race that has notoriety and deserves presence as Fringe or Traditional but it challenged Proudly and many times Won the Race or Near So...in both Looks, Engineering and Speed...Much of it quite incredible...

You have included a wider Spectrum of Involvement Hotrod/Custom/Race

A Compliment to Your Thread of course this Gem of a Thread at the link below...they are closely related...but Vintage Only and including Customs was not part of the theme of the other thread...however Hybrid Hotrod Custom Was...

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/tired-of-homogenized-hotrods.1002926/

I enjoy All Genres of The Hamb

Fun Thread Robert...

Creativity is Traditional
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https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/tired-of-homogenized-hotrods.1002926/page-105

Incredibly interesting Hotrod Out Of Dearborn, Michigan 1951

Credit to Photographer's Owner's
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https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...genized-hotrods.1002926/page-50#post-12434637

...This pic I believe is a Vintage Pic and if it is it's a powerful bit of visual history that's saying you know it when you see it...It's a really Cool Hotrod

Credit to Photographer, Owner
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