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  1. flatford39
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    Anyone know where I can find the star washer on an F-1 steering box that locks in the adjustment. Mine is missing. Should I be thinking about red loctite instead???
     
  2. Boneyard51
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    Fastenal has generic washers like that, might have one that will fit.





    Bones
     
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  3. Stu D Baker
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    Ace Hardware?
     
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  4. I hand made mine.looks factory.Use the curved bump on the box side to get the outer curves right.Dremel the curves to shape.On the center hole start undersize.Remember you need to leave a tab on the inside to fit the threaded adjustment shaft.Oh,and I made a paper template first which allowed me to scribe its shape on to heavy sheet metal.
     
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  5. Mike VV
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    For what it may be worth...

    In general, the proper (inside or outside teeth, and proper material) are a MUCH preferred choice for actually mechanically "locking" a fastener.
    This is verses a standard hardware store locking washer ring.

    Mike
     
  6. Ace may have it, I used to have a bunch I'm sure until I tossed a ton of old hardware a couple of years back. I used to be in the habit of saving anything and everything.
     
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  7. continentaljohn
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    Cliffy I have a bucket full of F1 steering parts for rebuilding some boxes and let me check if I have one in there.
     
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  8. flatford39
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    That would be appreciated. Thank you
     
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  9. alchemy
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    All the guys who say to buy one at the hardware store aren't aware that this is a very specialized washer. Not something you will find at a store. You'll either need to make one or hope John has one. The tab inside the center hole that holds the adjusting stud is very important, so Loctite won't work.
     
  10. flatford39
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    Kinda embarrassed a little...was going thru my parts up in the attic and found a steering column from an F2 that I forgot I owned. Sure enough it had the star washer on it and it works with my F1 box.

    By the way this is an OEM part that you are not going to find at fastenall or McMaster.

    Thanks to all that replied. It is appreciated.
     
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  11. Boneyard51
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    Could you take a pic of the washer! What I had in mind , that it looked like , was the SKF W series tab lock washer. I can’t post a pic of one. Not tech savvy enough. Just curious.





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  12. Fordors
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    4A721724-EEAD-496A-A8D1-66CAD02764BE.jpeg

    Not the best image, but here it is. Ford called it the Adjusting Screw Lock Plate. I never had an F1 box, but I wonder if there is some dish to the lock plate (like a Belleville washer) and the concave side goes toward the cover to help retain the adjuster screw location.
     
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  14. alchemy
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    It's flat. There is a bump in the cover plate that the notches in the star fit around. That gives you six possible locations to adjust your depth stud to on each round.
     
  15. J. A. Miller
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    Here you go:
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  16. Boneyard51
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    Ok, thanks. That not an SKF-W series.





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  17. pirate
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    • For what it is worth I think if you do a internet search on lock washers, star washers, spring washers, wave washers, etc. they all have limited value for keeping a bolt or nut tight. At a minimum locking washers should only be used a single time and replaced. Tab washers are effective along with liquid thread lockers such as Loctite.
     
  18. That's exactly where I would start. HRP
     
  19. alchemy
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    I'll send $1,000 to the first guy who buys one of these at his local Ace Hardware.
     
  20. J. A. Miller
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    Sometimes you just have to laugh!
     
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  21. Boneyard51
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    In my search of tab locking washers, or star washers and bent tab locking washers. I found a lot of configurations of them . Some are somewhat “ generic “ some are really specialize for an exact use. Found a company that would make any kind you wanted. I’d had not seen one of the ones for the F-1 steering adjusting nut/screw.
    Still not exactly sure of how it locks?? Is the round cut out going around the other round plug to anchor the washer? Then you bend the star point that lines up best with a flat?






    Bones
     
  22. Center hole has a tab that fits a slot in the adjustment screw.The outer rim has half moon cut outs.The box cover has a curved raised bump.loosen the nut.raise the star,and make your adjustment.Lower the star on the bump so one of the half moons fits it.Tighten nut.Nothing can move now.
     
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  23. flatford39
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    Boneyard....I will take a pic when I am in the shop tonight and post it here for you.
     
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  25. Atwater Mike
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    THANKS, @gatz! Just a couple hundred miles down the road from me, already have a list started with them for my '47 Ford sedan build.
    Wouldn't have known about them otherwise...Lots of small parts!!!
     
  26. Boneyard51
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    Now I get it! Thanks guys!






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  27. flatford39
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    Here you go 20190923_171055(2).jpg 20190923_171055(2).jpg 20190923_170800.jpg
     
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  28. Beanscoot
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    Bad news, guys. I looked up the part on C&G's site and got this:

    "The part number 78-3564 is no longer available or it is not a valid part number.

    Call us at 760-871-0445 for assistance, or you might try using
    a description in the search function at the top of the page."

    I didn't try phoning, however.

    Funny enough, I was going to recommend ordering one or two if you think you may ever need one, in case they sell out the run and never make another.
     
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  30. flatford39
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    Looks like I got real lucky....
     
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