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Hot Rods braking problem

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by willis813, Aug 18, 2019.

  1. willis813
    Joined: Aug 18, 2019
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    willis813

    OK, I have 4 wheel drum brakes, new 1" master cylinder dual 7" booster. When I first apply my brakes I can stand the car on its nose but then I lose my braking power right away.. The pedal is soft and I have to stand on the pedal in order to get it to stop. What can be my problem?
     
  2. 427 sleeper
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    What are you working on?
     
  3. Dont make sense

    Soft peddle but hard as a rock?
     
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  4. theboss20
    Joined: Dec 30, 2018
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    theboss20

    Sounds like the booster isn't getting enough vacuum to replenish it's needs...sometimes if you have a low vacuum problem you need a canister to hold reserve vacuum...double check to see that your check valve is working...sometimes it allows a back-feed and the booster can't maintain. There is a vacuum spec for most boosters that tells you how much you need coming from the engine to keep the booster working. And a final note...the booster, even though it's new can be defective.


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  5. willis813
    Joined: Aug 18, 2019
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    willis813

    What I mean by that is that I can pull the car out of the garage and hit the brake and have great brakes, but drive 100 yards down the road and I have to stand on the pedal as it is almost to the floor to get it to stop.
     
  6. willis813
    Joined: Aug 18, 2019
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    willis813

    I have a reserve canister and I have also tried an electric pump which made no difference. I replaced the master cylinder and booster because I had this problem with the old one and just figured to eliminate the old one as being the problem which obviously wasn't the problem.
     
  7. willis813
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    willis813

    Also the master cylinder is mounted on the frame and I do have residual valves installed.
     
  8. theboss20
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    theboss20

    Depending on the master you bought the residual valves should already be installed in the ports on the master? Do you have other valves as well?


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  9. brigrat
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    Old rubber hoses plugging on the inside?
    Heat to close to brake parts?
    Vacuum port dedicated to brakes only?
    Throwing darts at a wall till pic's show up!
     
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  10. Is this a ebay master set or reputable company. If reputable get a warranty xchange.
    Or like.post above bad hoses collapsing

    Or both bad master and hoses.
     
  11. theboss20
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    theboss20

    If by chance you got a master for disc brakes and then had one residual valve in backwards that could also account for your issues. Did you replace all the brakes hoses?


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  12. willis813
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    willis813

    Master cylinder from Summit Racing for Drum/Drum, Drum/Disk application. Like I said prior this also was my problem before buying a new one.
     
  13. willis813
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    willis813

    Nope residual valves in right direction and new rubber hoses to the front wheels
     
  14. V8 Bob
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    How about some info on the drum brakes, and what kind of vehicle.
     
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  15. brigrat
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    You still have a rubber hose to the rear......................................
     
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  16. willis813
    Joined: Aug 18, 2019
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    willis813

    I have plenty of fluid when I bleed the brakes so I'm fairly sure no hoses are collapsed. It is confusing that the brakes are great every time I first apply them then lose them.
     
  17. theboss20
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    theboss20

    Did you bench bled the master before install? The master can trap a bubble of air and still bled the system o.k.


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  18. treb11
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    Are all the internal mechanisms in the drums installed properly? Are the primary (small) shoes towards the front?

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  19. willis813
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    willis813

    I know it seems like I have done every thing I shod have. Yes I did bench bleed
     

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