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Discussion in 'Traditional Customs' started by Ny51streamliner, Jan 19, 2019.

  1. -J-
    Joined: Mar 9, 2006
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    -J-
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    We still have that 3 window and have plans to get back at it soon. We are still open and operating at our shop in Monticello, but will be operating in our new facility in Osseo by mid summer.
     
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  2. bostonhemi
    Joined: Dec 1, 2011
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    I dunno about the straight 8. But, I have to say your car has beautiful lines and style.
     
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  3. jnaki
    Joined: Jan 1, 2015
    Posts: 9,372

    jnaki

    upload_2019-3-3_5-9-53.png A similar look for a friend's 51 Pontiac Sedan...his first car in high school.

    Hello,

    Back in 1962, one of our friends was happy to have purchased a 1951 Pontiac Sedan as his first car. Since all of his friends had two door sedans, this one just fit the bill. We had never seen a 51 Pontiac before. There were Chevy coupes/sedans and Ford Coupes/Sedans, but not a Pontiac. We were all impressed as the one he bought was pretty nice to start.

    As most teenagers go, our friend was limited as to what he could afford to modify to make a hot rod sedan. So, he opted to keep it stock, make it run like a top, and just use it like a freedom-giving car for unnamed jaunts all over So Cal. One of his claim to fame quotes: “Well, Mickey Thompson uses Pontiacs…” Yes, he does…

    Most of us were in fun classes in high school, such as PE or sports teams. (also, Auto Shop, Metal Shops, Crafts, etc.) There were classes that allowed us to have fun, hang out together, and make stuff we normally could not do at home. We had access to do most mechanical things for our cars. Make a plastic layered shift knob or dash/radio knobs, the crafts class supplied the stuff, but, we had to make it for a grade. Or fix a broken lever for a support bracket? The metal shop provided plenty of supplies and big machines to get the job done.

    So, what did the Pontiac get in the Auto Shop? A one of a kind shift lever and bracket to make the column shift into a floor shift. The bracket on the transmission was made in the metal shop, the car floor torn apart in the auto shop and the whole unit installed with some fine adjustments. I needed a project to boost my grade back up to an “A.” So, this Pontiac project was going to be a grade booster. It was our first try at something like this. There was no money to go out and buy a ready-made shift lever to fit this old Pontiac. (besides, there weren’t any commercially available ones on the market for this conversion.)

    The complexity of the project would boost our grades, if it was done correctly. Doing final researching in magazines and talking to old hot rod guys helped. Even words of wisdom from our neighborhood welding shop expert helped make a cool, functional, all metal, transmission shift lever and arms work perfectly. Before we put the carpet back in, we had to make the last modifications to the tall, curved, shift lever that was as high as the top of the dash.

    Jnaki

    Luckily, we made the main transmission lever base with an internal thread-tapped hole just above the tunnel. It was handy as any lever with threads would fit this transmission shift unit. (We made a short curved one like a standard 4 speed unit from the factory…it looked awful.) The first tall lever worked perfectly, but hit the dash. Then we got smart and used thin welding rods for practice clearance models.

    The second, slightly curved model cleared the dash, while still being as tall as the top of the dash. It was the ONLY hot rod in our area with such a tall lever. If it wasn’t fast, (the 51 Pontiac wasn’t), then make it look like a custom cruiser, which it was in droves. The 1951 Pontiac was fun to drive with the shift lever so high inside. We felt rather proud of our accomplishment.

    The car was not the fastest or had the most custom/race stuff on it, but it was a great version of a local, reliable So Cal cruiser. It was a completely fun car to drive and hang out, quite a different experience from my 58 Impala or our other friend's 57 Bel-Air 4 speed, hardtop. The owner was proud of his Pontiac, as were we. But, it was just a fun place to be with friends, without a care in the world at the time. That reality would hit us in the face several years down the road.
     
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  4. gsnort
    Joined: Feb 5, 2008
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    gsnort
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    I'm for keeping the engine and attending swap meets where I'm certain you'll find Tennessee-go-fast parts for that straight eight. If you join Inliners International, you'd find a lot of help from their members.
     
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  5. jnaki
    Joined: Jan 1, 2015
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    jnaki

    upload_2020-9-9_4-47-16.png This black Pontiac had been seen in our last drive to the bank and gas station run during this locked in place/social distancing era. It is a very nicely done sedan and stands out from the other more modern cars parked in the same industrial park area.

    Hello,


    When we were teenagers, my friend with 57 Chevy had a family of fun cars. His mom and dad bought a new 4 door hardtop sedan in 1962. It was a luxurious big family sedan and had all of the accessories that we don’t usually see in our own hot rod sedans and station wagons. Despite the fact that it was a huge family sedan, when cruising around in the summer, or going to the drive in theaters, those 4 windows down gave the ultimate open air feeling. There was plenty of room inside for a fun double dating scene. (on super hot days, there was A/C, too.)
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    Jnaki

    The only other teenager that we knew had a blue 2 door Pontiac hardtop with a 389/260+ hp. At the time, he did not have enough money to get the biggest motor available. This one was sitting on the showroom floor of the Pontiac dealership just down the street from our high school in 1961. It was a fixture at the Bixby Knolls Texaco Gas Station as that was his envied, after school job.
    upload_2020-9-9_4-48-32.png
     
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  6. BuckeyeBuicks
    Joined: Jan 4, 2010
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    BuckeyeBuicks
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    from ohio

    As I remember 1960 was the last year for the true Hydro, 1961 was the first year for the "Slim-Jim" that was hated by many.
     
  7. stuart in mn
    Joined: Nov 22, 2007
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    Bonnevilles and Star Chiefs used the super hydramatic through 1964. The roto hydramatic or slim jim was used in Catalinas and Venturas, and starting in 1962 the Grand Prix.
     
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  8. v8flat44
    Joined: Nov 13, 2017
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    v8flat44

    There was a straight 8 Poncho around in the early 60s with a split exhaust & 3 on the tree. Ran pretty good & sounded awesome. Outran my 50 Ford..........
    Love your car !!!! And i'm a Ford guy.
     
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  9. Elcohaulic
    Joined: Dec 27, 2017
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    Elcohaulic

    The Slim Jim started in the 61 Catalina and 61 Oldsmobile B body cars.....
     
  10. 210superair
    Joined: Jun 23, 2020
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    210superair
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    from Michigan

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    Isn't the fact that they're are less of them, less parts, more of a pain to deal with.... Doesn't that make them more cool? I know I appreciate a rare car, and especially drivetrain, even more. That str8 8 is awesome.
     
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  11. outagas1961
    Joined: Jul 5, 2020
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    outagas1961

    man! that Catalina makes my pants fit funny!
     
  12. lippy
    Joined: Sep 27, 2006
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    lippy
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    from Ks

    I think someone else loved it more. lol.
     
  13. PhilA
    Joined: Sep 6, 2018
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    1. Hydro Tech

    I like mine.

    I'm not trying to make it something it isn't, though. Fast? No. Easy, lazy torque for around town? Yup. Comfortable? Pretty much.

    If you're keeping within the limits of the design and engineering then it's not a bad car, even by today's standards.

    No, not top of the range tire shredding standards, but plain family sedan standards. It still does the job, makes people smile and tends to invite positive comment.

    As for serious, properly noticeable upgrades to the 8? Not really. The build quality of the inline 8 is what I'd call "adequate to good", meaning it's not a Model A lump where a small bit of work liberates a large improvement because the starting block was so poor; for a side-valve they're close to as good as you're going to get for a mass produced engine.

    Better carburetion and exhaust manifold, increase the CR and put different weights in the distributor for a more aggressive curve would be straightforward improvements, reducing the valve overlap and a few changes to the squash space in the head would see a little more but I don't think you'd eke out a great deal more, and all those changes have to be made still with low RPM use in mind.

    If you want a high performance I-8, go look at a Buick... they're a much better start.

    A lazy, slow putzing machine that's gonna get a grin no matter what (yesterday I was asked the 0-60 time and instead of a frown, I got a smile and a thumbs-up), keep your '51.

    $0.02

    Phil
     
  14. hillbilly4008
    Joined: Feb 13, 2009
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    from Rome NY

    My '48, patiently waiting for other projects to get out of the way. Originally a flat six hydro car, I yanked that out and have a 302 GMC and a dual range hydro in the corner ready to drop in. 20181022_135005.jpeg 20181017_110259.jpeg

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  15. Deuces
    Joined: Nov 3, 2009
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    Deuces

    Pontiac 1963 concept Grand Prix... The was also featured on "My Three Sons" back in the day.... 63_Pontiac-Grand-Prix-X_400_DV-15_AI-a04.jpg 63_Pontiac-Grand-Prix-X_400_DV-15_AI-a03.jpg 63_Pontiac-Grand-Prix-X_400_DV-15-AI-a02.jpg 63_Pontiac-Grand-Prix-X_400_DV-15_AI-03.jpg 63_Pontiac-Grand-Prix-X_400_DV-15_AI-e01.jpg 63-Pontiac-GrandPrix-X-400_DV-15-AI_i02.jpg 63-Pontiac-GrandPrix-X-400_DV-15-AI_e02.jpg 63-Pontiac-GrandPrix-X-400_DV-15-AI_e01.jpg
     
  16. Elcohaulic
    Joined: Dec 27, 2017
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    Elcohaulic

    WOW ^^^^^^^^^^^!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  17. Deuces
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    Deuces

    Cool, huh????
    Do a search on Pontiac X-400 concepts for more pics and info..... ;)
     
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  18. Elcohaulic
    Joined: Dec 27, 2017
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    Elcohaulic

    I remember those cars back in the 60s, they showed them in the early sixties. They also had a 65 version...
     
  19. Deuces
    Joined: Nov 3, 2009
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    Deuces

    Here's a 1960 Pontiac X-400...... 60Pontiac_Bonneville_X-400_Convertible_2.jpg 60Pontiac_Bonneville_X-400_Convertible_4.jpg 60Pontiac_Bonneville_X-400_Convertible_3.jpg 87655.jpg 87649.jpg 87664.jpg 87661.jpg 87667.jpg 87666.jpg 87669.jpg
     
  20. hillbilly4008
    Joined: Feb 13, 2009
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    hillbilly4008
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    from Rome NY

    whats going on with that shifter?
     
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  21. Deuces
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    Deuces

    Exhaust cut out switch.....:cool:
     
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  22. flatheadgary
    Joined: Jul 17, 2007
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    from boron,ca

    i believe that's for the overdrive.
     
  23. Deuces
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    Deuces

    It could be.....
     
  24. blowby
    Joined: Dec 27, 2012
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    blowby
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    from Nicasio Ca

    My first car was a Pontiac. I left it stock. Mostly rode in the back seat. That's me and big sis.

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  25. Poncho60
    Joined: Jan 23, 2011
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    Poncho60
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    from N Illinois

    That lever is for the exhaust cutouts!
     
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  26. Deuces
    Joined: Nov 3, 2009
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    Deuces

    Thank you!.....;)
     

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