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History Pre-War Electric Fuel Pumps?

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by David Zivot, Feb 20, 2019.

  1. David Zivot
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    Any knowledgeable fellows have any info, or an actual example,
    of the type of pre-War electric fuel pump as used on Bob Stack's roadster circa 1938-41?

    Stack ran a pair of these while running Muroc, as well as on the street.
    They might be fuel pump-filter combo.
    Appearances would first suggest early Carter...as they resemble the P205-16 series,
    but they are not.
    Known pre-1945 electric fuel pump makers that I'm aware of
    (some being aircraft auxiliary pumps used before the War on civilian aircraft) include:
    Bendix-Skinner, Mallory, Holley, Thompson, etc.
    Any information would be very much appreciated. Thank You.
     

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  2. I was looking at a pump similar to that today !!!
    I put it back in my trailer , I will grab it again tomorrow and post some pictures and any written info on it
     
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  3. As I said similar , no makers name or info on this either 20190221_122838.jpg 20190221_122829.jpg 20190221_122808.jpg 20190221_122752.jpg 20190221_122744.jpg 20190221_122732.jpg
     
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  4. KFC
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    Don’t forget good old SU fuel pumps
     

  5. David Zivot
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    Thanks for the effort, wood remover.
    The ones I'm referring to are definitely not the 500 series Autopulse pumps as you show.
    Although there is a resemblance.
    The ones Stack used on his roadster appear to be very early Carters,
    because of four bolt flange securing the dome.
    I am not dismissing that they could be very early pre-War Autopulse as well,
    I have never seen an example.
    Ireland & Matthews Mfg Co out of Detroit sold dual electric Autopulse pumps
    for use in speedboats.
    Also I have been told that Studebaker and Peerless, as well as Duesenberg of course,
    used electric fuel pumps in the late 1920's.
    $20 to the first man who can correctly identify these pumps that Stack used!
     
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  6. RidingMechanic
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    Stewart Warner marine electric pump "double acting piston type" circa 1937...similar to your photo.

    sw pump.JPG
     
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  8. David Zivot
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    Correctly ID'd, RidingMechanic!
    Give that man a cigar (please PM me with your PayPal info for the reward).
    This is an example of why the H.A.M.B. is a valuable resource
    for the history, preservation, general and specialized knowledge,
    and camaraderie, among those of us who find this hobby so fascinating.
    Thank You!
    Further rewards:
    Anybody have a pair of these for sale?
     
  9. egads
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    Just to clarify : Peerless never ever used an electric fuel pump. My dad had 13 Peerless's and they were either vacuum tank type or mechanical on the camshaft.
     
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  10. RidingMechanic
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    Thanks David - No fee needed, but if you feel so inclined, please make a donation to a HAMB friendly charity instead.

    Are you building a copy of the Stack roadster?
     
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  11. David Zivot
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    egads...Thanks for the Peerless info...The AACA forum had the Big Peerless using elec. pumps...Have to be careful what one reads on there. RidingMechanic!...Yes I will make a donation in your name...Can you tell me the source of the model 699 pump images?...Anybody you know have any?...No, I'm not building a copy... I have the actual roadster. Initially I had the engine and drivetrain, mostly complete...I now have the body and chassis... again, for the most part intact and I am making every effort possible to make sure the project is as it should be. I had numerous telephone conversations with Mr. Stack before his passing on the subject of his "A Model Ford gow job" as he referred to it...It was very impressive the details and stories he could recall. He had many exotic and high-performance automobiles through the years...You could tell that this little Ford roadster held a special place in his memories.
     
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  12. David Zivot
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  13. The37Kid
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    Robert Roof listed Autopulse fuel pumps in his sales flyer Most speed equipment flyers & catalogs don't have dates, but I'm guessing this one is pre WWII since it featured OHV heads for Four Bangers & V8-60 parts. Bob DSCF0061.JPG DSCF0062.JPG
     
  14. Are you doing a build thread? Would really be interested in seeing some of the details on this car. I believe this was built in 38 with filled wheel wells. I find prewar stuff interesting.
     
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  15. David Zivot
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    Thanks Bob...I have seen that early Robt. Roof stuff...very interesting. 62pan...Yes... when I clear the decks on my current ongoing project I will probably be doing a build thread on this. The Stewart Warner pumps are the last needed of the components to get going on it... I have not seen these offered for sale anywhere or in any condition...(big reward and unending gratitude to whomever finds these)However I did do the motor and trans as well as the rear-end (Columbia) so we have a good start. The Roadster was built in 1938. Joe Mozzetti, Ed Winfield, Al Jepson, all had a hand in it's construction...Stack also pitched in.
     
  16. RidingMechanic
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    Thanks David, very kind of you!

    The source was "Motorboating" Jan,. 1937

    Link - https://books.google.com/books?id=W...v=onepage&q=stewart warner 699-a pump&f=false
     
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  17. RidingMechanic
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    There have to be a few old boat shops or salvage yards on the east coast that still have parts like this laying around. Probably on an attic shelf that no one's looked at for decades.

    Getting them working again will be another challenge!
     
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  18. David Zivot
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    As luck would have it, a week ago I did contact a vintage wooden speed boat restoration shop
    in Lake Tahoe, CA, "Sierra Boat Co.", http://sierraboat.com/
    Carl, the parts/store manager, thought he'd seen these type of pumps before,
    and in fact may have one sitting on a shelf.
    A few days later he got back with me saying he did not find one...he found a pair!
    Exactly filling the bill. He sent them right over to me.
    In an uncanny bit of synchronicity,
    Carl told me that he had been involved with the restoration
    of one of Robert Stack's vintage wooden boats some thirty years earlier,
    a 1947 Chris-Craft Racing Runabout.
    Stack had an estate just down the road from the shop,
    and got to know Stack and his brother Jim pretty well.
    Thank You Very Much, Carl!
     

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  19. alchemy
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    Couldn't have worked out any better for you! A very interesting project you have. Please make a build thread.
     
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  20. Some days you win. This was your day.
     
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  21. RidingMechanic
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    Those are so cool! For some reason I expected them to be larger LOL.
    Good luck with the project
     
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  22. David Zivot
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    No, my hands are huge ;D
     
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  23. Sure would enjoy seeing pictures, of any of your endeavors, thus far, of this iconic Cragar OHV powred roadster.

    Hope all is well, with you.

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  24. Bigcheese327
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    First off, this is an intensely exciting project and I hope to follow it as it comes together.

    I would be terribly interested to know how he pronounced "gow." I've always rhymed it with "cow" but a lot of guys insist it's said the same as "go."
     
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    This is going to be intriguing, entertaining and educational. Heck, it already is!
     
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  27. woodbutcher
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    :D Most interesting thread.Thanks for posting.
    Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
    Leo
     
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  28. Ah and now the fun begins........
     
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  29. sdluck
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    How cool is that.
     
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