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Hot Rods To Gasket or Not to Gasket?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by HuskerNation, Sep 26, 2018.

  1. HuskerNation
    Joined: Dec 28, 2010
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    HuskerNation

    On my 37 Hudson 6cyl, there is a water jacket on the side of the block to feed coolant to the block for cooling and I’m not sure if I really need to use a gasket or just Gasket Maker when putting back together?

    Most of the 18 bolts go thru & into the area where coolant will be in contact with the bolts and could be a source for leaks around the threads. 15+ years ago someone used plumbers putty on the bolt threads & red gasket maker but no gasket and I had no leaks. I’ve had some tell me to use some Permatex Ultra Grey gasket maker on both sides of a gasket when installed which is what lead me to wonder if I even needed the gasket. The bolts are stainless steel with stainless flat washers & a lock washer as was used before, and all threads thoroughly cleaned on bolts & in block (thread chaser). But I’m not sure what if anything I should use on the bolt treads when reinstalled to prevent leaks. I believe it’s a no pressure or very low pressure system as the radiator cap is maybe 4lbs.

    If needed I do have gasket material, FelPro Cork-Rubber sheet in 1/16” & 1/8” which I could cut a gasket from and it would save time vs ordering one. All I would need is a correct hole punch for the 5/16” bolts. Ordering a gasket is possible but world take at least a week at around $40. I’m told the water jacket bolts take a very mild torque, I’ve gotta check but I’m guessing around 20ft/lbs, so not a lot of force there. The jacket mating surfaces is in great shape, nice & smooth.

    So, I’d like to hear people’s experience on this before I decide to go a certain direction on it.


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  2. alchemy
    Joined: Sep 27, 2002
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    This is a big cover on the side of the block? What is it made of? Tin or cast iron?

    I'd use sealant probably myself. On the bolt heads too.
     
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  3. HuskerNation
    Joined: Dec 28, 2010
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    HuskerNation

    It’s a steel cover, roughly 17”x5”. IMG_0038.JPG


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  4. You need to use some sort of anti seize if you're using stainless steel bolts. Plumbers putty might have acted as such.

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  5. BamaMav
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    I'd definitely use anti-seize on the stainless bolt threads. My preference on RTV is Ultra Copper. Never had a leak using it.
     
  6. HuskerNation
    Joined: Dec 28, 2010
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    HuskerNation

    Thanks for the reminder, I remember reading about galling as a possibility. Anti seize is my friend but dang it gets everywhere in no time! I wonder what would be ideal to use to prevent the galling and seal threads. I’m at least assuming I will need to seal threads somehow.


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  7. nochop
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    1F598055-3A0C-4D1A-BDDC-FCF63A540E71.jpeg Me after using never seize
     
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  8. Make a gasket out of the stuff you have, use Permatex PST on the bolts and put it together


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  9. alchemy
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    The gasket sealant should work as an anti-seize as well. I think the only real problem with stainless galling is when you have stainless on stainless, with a higher torque. You have neither.
     
  10. slim39
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    With anti sieze it is easy to wash my hands
    With out it sometimes it not so easy to get to get things back apart
     
  11. kursplat
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    anti-seize, the reason i should never get a white t-shirt :oops:
     
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  12. Sheep Dip
    Joined: Dec 29, 2010
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    I just rub anti seize behind my ears, face, neck, shirt and the part I'm working on.....that way I don't have to worry about getting any on me!:D:D:D
     
  13. David Gersic
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    Permatex make Teflon paste thread sealer. Use that on the bolts.



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  14. Boryca
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    I always use a gasket of some sort. Fun fact - on most aircraft Lycoming and Continental horizontally opposed engines there is actually a silk thread used as the "gasket" between each half of the block. It's put in with some purple aircraft gasket sealant.

    Anyway, to the Hudson, I'd make or buy a gasket and add gasket sealer to both sides, though I like high-tack, not RTV. As for the bolts? The aforementioned anti-seize or teflon.
     

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