Technical You picked a fine time to leave me, loose wheel...

I'll just leave this here. No, wait, I'll put it back on the car.


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This is what we had at jag for doing knock offs a THOR HAMMER
one side raw hide one side lead.

Beat those basterds on, 2 days later have the customer come by and recheck
And any time they wanted or oil change etc. After that
Never had one come looses but smart to recheck periodically

 

Van that's nylon...or some other hard plastic...

Heck these knockoffs are a lot of work...mind you installing and torquing wheel nuts ain't exactly speedy and not without it's own grunt factor...​

 

Forgive a dumb question, what are these "hub clips" of which you speak?

 

Answered my own question. Looks like the pin drive hub extends beyond the center of the knock off when in place, the clip snaps over the hub center. My knock off's aren't open, so I think some drilling holes in one end of the knock off and some safety wire is in my future. ;

 

Apparently losing a wheel is not that uncommon!
My brother restored an MGA in my garage while he was still in school, and he planned to flat tow the car behind a u-haul van back to Dallas after graduation. Unknownly, the front hubs were reversed. He got down the road about a mile before both front knock-offs and one front wheel came off. I got a call at work that he was stranded by the road (he did find the wheel and knockoffs, fortunately) I had to beat the crap out of those knockoffs 2 -3 time for the mile back to my place.

My brother's name is also Brian, so maybe its a "Brian" thing...

 

Brian...There's still some 'controversy' over which side gets the left hand threads.

Read the Dayton rule again. Drivers side is LEFT side, and tightens toward the front. (knocker nut rolls 'forward') Ergo, right is right. (passenger side right, sit outside right front wheel. With the RIGHT side hub installed correctly, the passenger nut will now thread 'clockwise', or 'roll' in direction of 'forward'.

They really do loosen up in motion, it's an inertia and centrifugal force thing!

 

The summer of 67 I had a friend that had an Austin Healy 3000 with knock off wheels. We were talking one night and he said it would do 90 in third gear. We called B'S and he said get in and he would show us. There were 4 of us and we said he only had room for 1 rider. He said 2 of us could sit on the trunk. For some reason that seemed ok so off we went and the car did what he said. When he put on brakes to turn left onto another road we heard something come off and clang down the road. It was the left front knockoff. The spline had stripped in the wheel. The hub stopped turning and the wheel kept turning and unscrewed the knockoff. I don't know how the wheel stayed on. Sitting on the trunk we would not of had a chance.

 

The law of the Hamb Averages strikes again...half of you are correct. Knock offs thread OFF in the direction of travel/rotation

 

@Atwater Mike , doesn't this instruction mean the righty tighty spinner on the left (passenger) side?
That is contradictory to what @sliceddeuce just posted isn't it guys? Or am I confused? I would really like to know I have them mounted correctly.

 

Let`s see...….If the right hand thread adapter is on the left side of the vehicle? That would mean that the left hand thread is on the passenger side and THE KNOCK OFFS WOULD THEN THREAD OFF IN THE DIRECTION OF ROTATION. Correct ?

 

Looking forward from the rear is driver side.

It is in the instructions you posted. Righty Tighty on driver side.

Therefore as one Hamber said with wheel spinning free driverside it you rotate wheel in its forward rotation the spinner will tighten ( thread on ) if held while rotating the wheel.

 

Apologies...re-read what your saying...yes to loosen spinner on passenger side you have to rotate spinner in moving fwd tire rotation which is in fact the same for removal on driver side as well being RH thread is on that side.

 

Passenger side gets LH thread.

 

Per Dayton Wheel, and the stamps on the hubs and the knock offs: the drivers side (left side standing in back of the car facing forward...), use the RH threads. The passengers, right side, uses LH. The spinners are tightened, wing up, by driving them to the rear of the car. The key thing I didn't do was to re-torque (i.e. smack them with a BFH lead hammer) after the first several miles.


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Hey stogy

That’s a pic of the interwebs, the one we had was old and looked like a cartoon hammer it was so big
One side was raw hide
And not sure if it was a jag tool or something that was made as a shop tool, but it was a big hunk of aluminum that was cut out to fit on the knockoff perfectly and had to wings coming off either side to hit on ( looked like a giant wing nut ) so you got a bit more leverage with your hits and did not mark the Knockoff

 

I guess its best to have a nut and bolt in hand when simulating this theory. Were knockoff hubs just a bolt-on addition to the factory studs?

 

Its funny someone was saying earlier to use a deadblow in case you hit the body or fender...man even they can do some serious damage. Generally if its got knockoffs its expensive and body blows of any kind can be not good.

The cartoon mallet...I remember an old fella I worked with had one of those he used for ever and when he retired they got that mallet and sprayed it gold and mounted it on a plaque and presented it to him at his seeing off gathering...

 

I think that I’d stick with the Wide White Steelies or American 5 spokes .
I’m too old for “Mr. Toads Wild Ride”.

 

that is interesting. hmmmm

 

This is all making my head spin! Lol.

 

All this to determine how to rightsey tightsey and lefty loosely . A safety wire makes it impossible to come off no matter which way you see is correct to tighten it . Some tall drink of water from Texas figured this out many years ago , and I bet he was traveling warp speed compared to our hot rods on a daily basis . Just something to thing about . I know it doesn’t look good but neither does , the inside of a casket . This serious stuff , not just cosmetics . You are a lucky man , nothing worse happened . How you feel if a person going the other way lost a tire and wheel hit your grand child , because he didn’t like the looks of a safe way to attach his wheel ?

 

Chrysler always had the left hand thread on the drivers side, wouldn't the same principle apply to knock offs???

 

My head hurts.

 

Dang!!! Right after I bought that Kenny Roger's record album, way back in about 1976 or so, I played it for my parents. My Mother's name was was Lucille; NOT Lucy, NOT Lu, NOT anything else, LUCILLE!!! She cracked a smile, but my Father thought it was pretty funny. Too bad about your wheel taking a different route than you were, but you learned something here. Knockoff's require maintenance! Glad for you and the car. I am Butch/56sedandelivery.

 

I believe it standardizes the installation as the wing up hit to the back to tighten is the same both sides.

No different animal.

 

I don't think anyone here doesn't understand how serious it is and I'm glad that the maiming and death caused by it has not been an issue here. Its a lesson of understanding how it works, what went wrong and an alert to getting it right. Lockwire is evidently built into the equation depending on manufacturer.

Getting it right is the only option really or there very well could be a casket next time.

 

Brian , first off ...NICE CAR ........very glad you made it with no relative damage ......coulda been a lot worse ..........

we had a grocery getter XJ6 Jaguar with a 350 chevy an knock off wires for a lotta years .

one thing I do remember was to jack the car under each axle with wife sittin inside with her foot on the brake while I hammered the knock offs , never had an issue with loose wheels etc , just used to check em every now and then .

Oh Yeah.........All spinners screwed on towards the back of the car

( I remember old racers used to swap the front hubs around so that the braking forces reacted against the knock off direction )

cheers Steve in Oz

 

Wait? What? Who said I didn't like the looks of safety wire? And now I'm killing grandchildren? That's a pretty big "what-if". The list of "what-if's" is infinite in every situation in daily life. I think the purpose of the safety wire is to alert one in the event the knock starts to loosen, it gets tight, not to keep the nut on the spindle against the force of braking. Lighten up, I'm sharing an event that was my fault, and how I'm fixing it. It's a hot rod, it's inherently unsafe, I'm doing the best I can.