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Technical Anyone run Coker Excelsiors with out tubes?

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  1. Dino 64
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    Really like these, anymore run them without tubes ? How much of a hassle are the tubes anyway ? Thanks


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  3. gimpyshotrods
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    Never sent a customer out with them, with tubes.

    As long as your wheel seals (rivets, spokes sealed, etc.), it appears that they work that way, just fine.
     
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  4. Dino 64
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    Thanks guys


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  5. scrap metal 48
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    If they call for tubes why would you not use them.. Especially on rims without the safety bead....
     
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  6. Dino 64
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    Just don’t know how much of a hassle the tubes are. Can barely remember them and their potential problems. That’s my concern, thanks.



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  7. krylon32
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    I'm fairly sure 383deuce and swanwaco are running their bones style cars with Excelsiors tubeless. And both of them have lots of miles under them.
     
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  8. alchemy
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    Dino, what wheels do you have?
     
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  9. Dino 64
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    Don't have them yet but planning on 40's look a likes, solid steel
     
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  10. alchemy
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    If it's a new wheel it would probably be fine for an insert stem, but some old wheels have really big or weird shaped holes that a stem won't work in. The '32 wires I'm cleaning up now won't work with a snap in stem.

    Plus, if you are using new wheels you will have safety beads on the rim too.
     
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  11. Dino 64
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    Thanks, that's one less decision
     
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  12. Here are the drawbacks to tube type tires:
    Tires run hotter, due to friction between the tube and tire liner as the tire flexes.
    The tube is the air container, the slightest penetration and it's instantly flat.
    Unless it's a radial designated tube, it can fail at the splice seams or the stem base.

    Unless the Excelsior has a rubber compound in the liner like a tubeless tire, there is a possibility that air can migrate through the liner and into the body plies or belt package.

    The tubeless liner is compounded to seal around small penetrations, stopping or slowing down air loss.

    There is a different bead seat angle where the tubeless tire bead seals against the same angle on the tubeless rim. Tube type rims usually have a less or flat seat.
     
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  13. Dino 64
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    I’m not against using tubes if it’s necessary, thanks


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  14. Kiwi 4d
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    Are we talking Excelsior stahl radials or Excelsior bias plys?
     
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  15. Blue One
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    Excelsior Stahl Sport radials without tubes.
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  16. Dino 64
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    Stahl radials


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  18. Blue One
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    16x4.5 and 16x6 Wheel Vintiques Gennie Series 14.
    5.00x16 front and 7.00x16 rear.
    Wheels are powder coated in Wimbledon white.
    (Oyster white powder)
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  19. Dino 64
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    Thanks


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  20. aerocolor
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    I tried tubeless but the wires didn't hold air longer than a week so I backed up and ran radial tubes. The spoke area was heavily siliconed. 20170803_203853.jpg
     
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  21. Dino 64
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    Thanks, are those after market or original wires ?


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