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Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Pufff, Oct 6, 2017.

  1. Pufff
    Joined: Sep 6, 2012
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    Pufff

    done.
     
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  2. Not sure about help with the Olds/Muncie hook up but such a project should be shared. How much more HAMB friendly can you get?
    And at 84 years! Bravo!
    How about a load of pics of this baby? Inside, outside and all about.
     
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  3. saltracer219
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    Check with Tony at Ross Racing, he makes everything you need
     
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  4. coilover
    Joined: Apr 19, 2007
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    from Texas

    I'm only 81 so he might not value a young punks advice but he could check out a Mcleod hydraulic throw out bearing as it uses flexible lines that can be routed through the bell housing in various places. 1960-62 Chevy trucks used a throw out arm on the passenger side of the bell housing so with him being a machinist this might give him some ideas. My first rod was a 34 Ford 5w with a 303 Olds engine that I couldn't afford the starter change over so drove it two years with no starter. It was my only way to school and work but I lived where one was never far from a hill or good slope so no problem.
     

  5. I've done several SBC manual trans in early Fords including a '40 coupe with stock pedals. I moved the clutch fork and pivot to the pass. side and used a hyd. slave cylinder. If he adapted a SBC bell housing to the Olds engine it should be an easy job for him.
     
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  6. DDDenny
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    64-67 Chevy II V8 belhousing has the throwout fork opening at 7:00 position.
     
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  7. I have one of those, but it didn't appear to fit with the '40 brake pedal either.
     
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  8. 2OLD2FAST
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    Is the 394 block the same pattern as the 400 ? lot of 442's had muncies in them...
     
  9. saltracer219
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    No, not the same. 49-64 big Olds had a stand alone bolt pattern.
     
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  10. MAD MIKE
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  11. UNSHINED 2
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  12. When I had the Olds. in the 37 Ford I used a throwout fork from a 1950 GMC 3/4 ton truck it was cast steel . Still using it with my Caddy To Muncie set up.
     
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  13. alchemy
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    Is that old Olds bellhousing from a manual, or an automatic?
     
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  14. Ebbsspeed
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    Is the 215 Olds motor in the roadster a stock one, or does it have some goodies in it? I see it still has the stock air cleaner cover that totally covers the carb and seals to the intake.
     
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  15. Paul
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    Looks like a hydramatic bell,
    Would a hydraulic throwout bearing work?
     
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  16. thirtytwo
    Joined: Dec 19, 2003
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    If it were me I would stack adapters

    An early olds steel ring to early ford trans then get a GM trans to early ford flathead adaptor that uses the ford throw out bearing /arm and use stock pedals
     
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  17. bchctybob
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    That was a clever way to adapt the 4 spd to a 394. If there's an issue with the trans being too far away from the crank or too close, I would opt for Thirtytwo's suggestion above (I'm doing what he said with mine) But if everything bolts up fine and fits the clutch and pilot bearing then check with the hydraulic throwout bearing suppliers for a recommendation based on how much room you have left in there for a throwout bearing. They are way easier than mechanical linkage.
     
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  18. You have a adapter for a hydramatic you could not get a throwout arm in there . Try a hyd. throwout bearing.
     
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  20. Hats off to an octogenarian who is starting another build, and with a 4-speed to boot!


    Sent from my iPad using H.A.M.B.
     
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  21. csebern
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    I'm pretty sure that an adapter actually exists. I've seen it and I'm going to call the man I know that has it right now for you...
     
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  22. Pre1898
    Joined: Jul 24, 2013
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    Anyone ever used on of these units behind a 371 Olds and a Muncie trans ? Any feedback ???
     
  23. Pre1898
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    Thanks all I am aware that Tom King makes this unit but was curious what the feedback is from anyone who has his setup and is using it ?
     
  24. SHARKO
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    Great pics of a cool project. 30 years ago I put a top loader Ford 4 speed in my 57 Olds using an Offy bellhousing which I think is still available, a rare 57 flywheel and an 11 inch Long type clutch with home built slave cylinder mount. 20 years ago I changed to a t-56 6 speed with a big block chevy pressure plate and another rebuild of the slave mount and new pedals. The, slave cylinder gets hot because its too close to the exhaust so maybe my dot 5 fluid boils. And I am older now and want a lighter clutch. So I am going to a hydraulic throwout bearing and a stock pressure clutch. I haven't been able to find any specs but 3200 lbs isn't needed. What weight clutch is stock for a half ton pickup?
    Do I want a Long type or a diaphram. Any suggestions are welcome. I live in Kansas City and would love to find the right counter advice live within a few hundred miles. Pat
     
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  25. sunbeam
    Joined: Oct 22, 2010
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    Willcap 303-350MT adapter. or try to find a hydraulic throwout bearing that will fit.
     
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  26. v8flat44
    Joined: Nov 13, 2017
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    v8flat44

    Got no tech help , but years ago a guy i knew built a 40 truck with a J2 & 4speed. First ride was scary as the brakes failed & we stopped by shut'n er down in 2nd gear. That thing was FAST...... v8flat44
     
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  27. stik70
    Joined: Apr 27, 2009
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    from midwest

    Speed Gems made a bell housing back in the day for olds to muncie trans IMG_20171204_133925556-3936x2952.jpg
     
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  28. He is obviously a pretty crafty guy and seems to be very mechanically capable. I only wonder if that cable will hold up since there are fairly high forces working through it
     
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