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Technical Mystery Frame - ID HELP!

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by ratbucket47, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. ratbucket47
    Joined: Mar 3, 2009
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    ratbucket47
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    from UBE, PA

    Hey guys, I picked up this chassis but I need some help figuring it out what it is...

    All the photos I've googled are close - but I haven't come across any where the front rails are stepped up like this one...

    Any help is really appreciate!

    IMG_20171009_174404.jpg

    IMG_20171009_174404.jpg IMG_20171009_174414.jpg IMG_20171009_174426.jpg IMG_20171009_174435.jpg IMG_20171009_174443.jpg IMG_20171009_174510.jpg IMG_20171009_174524.jpg IMG_20171009_174549.jpg IMG_20171009_174816.jpg IMG_20171009_174832.jpg IMG_20171009_174848.jpg IMG_20171009_175153.jpg IMG_20171009_175205.jpg IMG_20171009_175211.jpg
     
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  2. gschwen
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    The shocks are exactly like the ones on my 29 DeSoto chassis and it looks pretty similar except for that front kick up, but it looks like it has mechanical brakes so it would need to be pretty early if it's a Chrysler product.
     
  3. squirrel
    Joined: Sep 23, 2004
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    I think Delco Lovejoy shocks were pretty common on many cars.

    I wonder if the wheels are original? they look a bit newer.
     
  4. Ebbsspeed
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    I like the bump stops for the rear axle. Might have been on an old moonshine runner. But I have no idea what it is from.
     

  5. With that front kick on the frame, it has sort of a Dodge vibe . I'm putting my money on a early 30's Dodge car or truck. Mitch.
     
  6. razoo lew
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    Flanged connection on differential looks like a Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge product.
     
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  7. What is strange is that the front end is identical to a '29 Chev down to the canvas strap lever action shocks. I am going to say GM just not sure of brand. The rear end looks to be from something else due to the hydraulic lines.
     
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  8. squirrel
    Joined: Sep 23, 2004
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    good call on the rear being from something else...

    Nice mystery. I did see a post from a while ago on the HAMB about a frame with a sort of similar kick up in the front, tenatively identified as a Studebaker. But those rear bumpers...they are not like I've been able to find on any pics of anything.
     
  9. Does anyone have pics of a '33-'34 Chev Chassis?
     
  10. It does appear to be a somewhat cobbled together trailer. I only now noticed the hitch on the axle. It could well be a Stude chassis rail. At the moment I'm still leaning toward GM with the mechanical brake mechanism.
     
  11. Hnstray
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    Given the frame was converted to farm wagon use, I suspect the bump stops are related to that.

    As Squirrel mentioned, good eye on the rear axle hydraulic lines. Also, the spring plates have shock mount studs that would not be original given the Delco-Lovejoy shocks mounted above. Pretty much cinches rear axle was a donor from something else....likely a Mopar....though that does nogt make the frame a Mopar. So, maybe your '29 Chevy or other GM brand could be on target.

    Ray
     
  12. I had at one time a 34 Chevy frame, it had a smooth swoop, so I think that is earlier like suggested in the late 20's. That gas tank cover is GM-ish. The key may be the front frame shape, front leaf spring hangers and axle. Maybe someone can better confirm the ID.
     
  13. gimpyshotrods
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    The front crossmember might have given it away, if someone had not given it away (or nature took it).
     
  14. squirrel
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    I think it's a bigger car than a Chevy.
     
  15. partsdawg
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    Prototype Henway.
     
  16. s55mercury66
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    Ironhead Sportster with a welded on hardtail.
     
  17. Chevy had 6 stud wheels back then, but the axle below the springs is very Chevy.
     
  18. what's the bolt sticking out of the axle for?
    IMG_20171009_175211.jpg
     
  19. It is a pivot point for an arm that links the brake rods to the brake actuator on the backing plate. I can take a pic of a front end tomorrow. These were only used in '28-'29, '30 used brake cables.
     
  20. eberhama
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    I don't know what it is, but its not 33/34 chevy. My moneys on big mopar, Chrysler maybe?
     
  21. ratbucket47
    Joined: Mar 3, 2009
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    the knowledge on this site is amazing...thanks guys! It's definitely a 'mut'.

    So...with everyone's responses and insights, and doing a lot more googling I'm getting closer...although I still need to find some clearer frame photos...

    I found some '29 chevy front brake shoes that look identical to the ones on this axle. I decoded some casting #'s on the rear and it is mid/late 30's plymouth.

    The big mystery is still the actual frame. But with more searching it's looking like it's Graham-Paige, Durant, Star, Hupmobile...

    Actually just came across this photo of a Hupmobile chassis...although I cant find a year/model with the correct wheelbase...close...although maybe the transplant of the later rear isn't "exact"changing it a bit...

    29HUPMOBILE.jpg
    Another pic of a different Hupmobile...
    bodyinstal.jpg

    And although these aren't the greatest photos - I came up with these Graham-Paige pictures that look pretty similar...
    Graham_Paige_615_Sedan.JPG Graham_Paige_615_Sedan_1.JPG
     
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  22. paul55
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    from michigan

    Not '31-32 Chevy
     
  23. And the beat goes on.
     
  24. 302GMC
    Joined: Dec 15, 2005
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    302GMC
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    from Idaho

    Those front end parts look GM. Definitely bigger than Olds or Pontiac. How about Marquette or LaSalle ?
     

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