Technical Please Shed Some Light On TROG Speed Parts & Mods Rules & Requirements

Hey guys. This is probably a stupid question & & mainly informational for me right now, but based on a lot of the threads I've been reading about TROG I know I'm not the only one with some of these questions & I'm hoping some of you can shed some light on this topic for myself & others with the same questions. I've read the rules page for entrants, but they don't cover anything about speed parts & modification rules. So here's my question. I know they say the cars need speed parts, but can they be speed parts that are made today to modify an original 4 banger motor for example Lion cylinder heads or Red's Headers or do the have to be original Speed Parts? Don't get me wrong. Original speed equipment is really cool, but the cost of a lot of this stuff is astronomical. Any & all info would be appreciated.
Thanks
Josh


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New speed parts are allowed.

 

I thought any commercially available speed parts had to be made circa '53-'54 or before.
Reproductions are OK.

 

Newer reprodutions are allowed, Lions heads , reds headers are good , l will be running them on my banger when I'm there in June.

 

Hey, how do you like that Lion head? I've been thinking of getting one for my pop's banger.

 

I will say it like this. They can only have a number of cars around 150-200. There has been a big rush from everyone around the world to built a car for "TROG". You have to send in a video and pictures of you and the car, engine front end ect.ect. They go through those entries and hand pick the cars to run. The hole idea is to take you back to the early days of racing and so they only want cars and parts made back in the 20's30s'and 40's. Yes there are some cars with a few new speed parts but the rest of the car is spot on so they might allow a new reproduction head. Things like non braded cloth wires might get a car rejected. Alternators, newer gauges. Anything made from billet and not sand casted. Basically if bobby and Mel like your car your in and if not your there to watch. Best thing to do is email the guys and ask if what you are using is on. Both guys are cool so just ask.

 

l haven't installed mine yet , a friend has installed one on his A truck , loves it , brought the truck to life , keeps up with traffic.

 

Hey guys. What you have said is basically correct. I emailed the TROG website & this is what the event coordinator responded back:

"Hi Josh,

I ran this by the guys and they said; no Buick Nailhead V8. New speed parts are ok, and home made intakes are ok. We'll need pics for final approval.

I hope that helps!

Best,

Sabrina Fay Pierce
Event Coordinator
www.theraceofgentlemen.com"

So I guess new Speed Parts are ok. I'm sure original is better, but sometimes their unavailability & cost creates an issue I'm guessing. I know it does for me. I like the suggestion on the cloth wiring.


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I'd also like to thank you all for the responses & feedback.


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You have to ask yourself "does this look right and correct for a hot rod that was built and run in the time frame they specify"?
In that you have = were ALL of the parts available then? Yes=OK No=NOT OK.
Repro that looks like what was produced back in the required time frame is ok Some of the cool heads and intakes and small hot rod pieces weren't produced in high volume back when and the "collectors" may have the only sets known in their "collections" .

As the guys said above the glaring obvious will get the car booted out. Alternators, carbs that weren't even designed yet in that time frame. obviously modern electronic distributors. Shiny plastic wires. Transmissions that weren't made until the 80's same with rear axles or even a later quick change.

The whole idea centers around building or reviving a car that totally represents that era. and that is the challenge and the fun as much as racing. Being around the cars at Pismo Beach and listening to some of the real old timers point out things on a few of the cars that really represented the concept was interesting and fun.

Personally I'd like to see more and maybe smaller scale events like this around the country. They don't have to be on a beach but renting some sand drag club's track and getting the sand good and wet and packing it down smooth would make a viable racing surface even if the course might be a bit shorter. Most of these cars would race just as good for 100 yards as they would for 220 yards. Pick an interesting town with some stuff going on that has plenty of rooms or camping area and a place to race on some sand even if you have to haul in the sand and let the fun begin. A lot of places have fairgrounds with horse tracks that only get used a few weeks a year and sit idle the rest of the time. One local (70 miles away) such fairgrounds hosts sand drags on the horse track at least one weekend a year so the sand pile is already there waiting to be spread and picked up again. Lots of camping room and car show room and pit room too.

 

Hey Luther99 let's see some pics of your car & any other cars that belong to you guys.


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I'm still very new to all of this vintage stuff but I've quickly become addicted to it all. I love the idea of it all. I also wish there were more events like TROG.


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What about headers. Were headers being used prior to 1948 or would it be better to run a regular exhaust? I really think the look of this Lake Header is cool, but I'm not sure if it fits the TROG bill? Also how loud/exhaust smell in car would something like this be. Would I be better off with a header to an exhaust? Thanks again fellas.


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Check out pictures of other cars that have run the race and see what they had, that's probably the best indicator of what they do and don't want to see.

When they can only take a limited amount of participants, they can afford to be picky, so a car with a couple of catalog speed parts is likely to be bumped if there's something running a full house of early rare parts on it.

I would like to see more events like this too, instead of the let in anything, park and drink beer events that seem to be around. Lake Michigan has a lot of beach...

 

This is a good reference book for how cars were built back then. Yes. They built headers in their garages. Reds Headers are just fine because they are just tubing welded to a metal flange. The same way it's been done since the 30s.

Go get this book "The Birth of Hotrodding - Story of the Dry Lakes era." by Robert Genat.
The Birth of Hot Rodding: The Story of the Dry Lakes Era


Most of the color photos and quite a few of the black and white photos were taken by original Oilers car club member Don Cox. This book will give you some ideas.

paper back


hard cover
https://www.amazon.com/Birth-Hot-Rodding-Robert-Genat/dp/0760313032/ref=sr_1_2
(has preview of pages)

 

Oops. Forgot the picture of the lake headers that I like. Here it is.




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Order some lakester headers from Matt at Geardrive. He's a HAMB alliance vendor. Awesome guy. Tell him "Elrod" had nothing to do with this.

Gear Drive Speed & Custom – Long time H.A.M.B. guy that makes some cool stuff! Get free domestic shipping if you are a HAMB Alliance Member (international orders get upto a $35 credit on shipping charges) on u-fab intakes, lake headers, all kinds of flathead and other traditional hot rod parts.

https://www.lakeheaders.com/

https://www.instagram.com/geardrive/

 

Another Tip:

Go memorize all the black and white photos on this 77 page thread.

http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/1940s-period-correct-hot-rods.422177/

 

There was a good photo thread of the 2016 TROG not long ago. Try the HAMB advance search and search TROG 2016, TROG 2015. Here are a couple threads & there may be more.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/trog-2016-35mm-photos.1022901/
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/my-trog-2015-experience-pic-heavy.994753/

 

There are a lot of events around the country for the four banger hot rods put on by FAST. On of the larger events will be the Speedster Reunion hosted by the Speedway museum in June.

 

Hey GreaserJosh here are some pics of mine so far


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Hey Luther that's awesome. I really like the look. Looks like a 3 carb intake with some bitchin headers. What else have you done to it. Any suspension/frame mods? Transmission or rear end mods? How much faster does it go with the engine mods? Feel good on the freeway? You've got yourself a sweet ride.


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Yup home made three carb intake , reds headers , Lion head to come ,.060 over banger, juice brakes , 4 inch drop axle front , T spring in the back, have not got it runnin yet , soon.

 

Oh man. It looks like it's already good to go. I'd be happy to drive it around just like that.


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Do you plan on trying to get into TROG?


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Hey Denis. It's funny you bring that up. I'm going to be in Nebraska for a wedding, but will be leaving the day before it starts. Maybe I can talk my wife into staying a couple more days.


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Yes l have submitted my vehicle , I hope it gets accepted, if not l'm going to take it down and rip around on the beach anyways .

 

Pretty sure white wall tires are a no go for TROG.......

 

Ya l know , l put that in my submission, l have no probs turnin them in , but l have seen some running white walls ?