Art & Inspiration Sitting and Rotting.............picture thread

If you take out all the VW's there isn't much left, BUT, how many parts will one need to take off a car to make what's left saleable as it sits. JW

 

if you wanted whole cars, you should have gone to Gates in Hardwick, Vt this past summer. could have bought all you wanted.

 

Was Gates selling out?

 

Jim died a couple years or so ago and the kids I hear decided to get rid of all the old stuff.

 

A project of mine started about 10 years ago. 1940 Ford Deluxe Coupe.

 

Thanks for the update.

 

This is one of those "rumor has it" vehicles you maybe hear about, but never know if it is real or not.
This one is on the family farm, a farm that we has been in the family for 8 generations. In the back lane lies a 1941 Plymouth Doctors Coupe that has been in the family since new.

It is a Canadian Civilian car which is super rare. The ones you will see are always USA cars as Canada was in the WW2 and you needed a permit to buy a new car in 1941.

This one was sold to a Doctor in the family. He was able to pick it up from Wellington Motors in Guelph, Ontario Canada in the fall of 1941. He left for the 2nd world war in December of 1941 and sadly never returned.
The car was driven by his nephew a bit, but it was moved out of a barn that was hit by hurricane hazel in October of 1954 and has sat in a back lane on the farm ever since.

It has had trees grow up around it and has slowly started to melt into the ground. It is amazing what is still there. Original engine and appears to be a 1941 r7 overdrive still in the car which last went into Mopars in 1941 and actually were special order in a Plymouth.

We are aware that an American built 1941 Plymouth, and we also have one in the family has a different nose. Its like the 1940 and the one we have seems to have a lot of the front end pieces that showed up immediately after the war in the 1946 model year. This is perhaps the next generation car that was to come out in 1942 and which really in terms of style didn’t come out until 1946. Unfortunately any value that may have had is long ago been lost.

All we can say is the engine, serial number matched and the ownership was a 1941. It being such a nice fall, we went in with the saw and loader, and pulled off a bunch of limbs and debris that has accumulated over the decades. Its now super easy to get into the car. Its also clear treasure seekers have stripped off or tried to strip of a few pieces over the decades.

What we now see is some super condition glass marker light, tail light on Plymouth markers and a nice steering wheel with only a couple of minor cracks and a decent horn button. There is some nice stainless trim and a bunch of other stuff.

We could also get in now and pull it out quite easily although suspect it would come out in pieces if we did that.

What we know is there were only a handful, literally a handful of 1941 Canadian Civilian Doctors Coupes ever made. There were American Business Coupes with the 23" small blocks, and a few 1940 "Plodges" which were Plymouth's with Dodge badging, titled as 1941 but are really 1940 cars, but Canadian 25 1/2" big block flathead motors in 1941 Doctors Coupes just don't exist.

And there it is... as the theme of the thread says - "sitting and rotting"

Thanks for your time

Tim

 

Neat story, but that Plymouth is a post war (46-up) model. The '41 is quite a bit different, and there was a 1942-only design in between this one and a standard '41, so it's hard to believe they would be selling cars in Canada that were two model changeovers ahead of US production. It's got the post-war dash in it, the step in the bottom of the door instead of running boards, ect.

 

Here's a few we saw today.....

 

On hiway 79 in So Cal

 

Yes it is a common reaction and I am very familiar with both a 1941 USA model (have one) and a 1946 Plymouth as we have one of those as well Here is what I do know. Canada entered WW2 in 1939 and after the 40 model year the assembly plant that was shifted to Military production.. At that point you needed a permit to even buy a car as we were in military ration mode. There were some cars in 1941 that we often call Plodges, which is a 1941 Plymouth with Dodge Badging, but there was no 1942 models in Canada. There are things that are not in our 1946, things like wood in it. It actually does have running boards although melted into the ground. There is a 1941 overdrive in the car and yes there are no overdrives listed in anything other than a Chrysler or Desoto. So sure someone could have put that in there. The car sits there with less than 3000 miles on it and again people could think it has been around many times even though I know its not. But the thing I cant get around is this.. It has a documented 1941 serial number on it and the original bill of sale, which yes we have, references that serial number as does the ownership and it sure doesn't look like any of that has been monkeyed with.. and the last cool thing is the licence plates that were on the car.. Ontario 1941 plates.

Even the dash isn't exactly the same as our 1946 nor the same as our American 1941 and the steering wheel isn't like either. Again, yes that could have been changed, but this isn't some car rolling through an auction claiming to be something that was faked. Lol.. the car is basically worth zippo.. Sure there are some parts, or the plates have some value maybe but basically is worth whatever the price per pound is in the scrap yard.

I even thought, hey the stainless trim is perfect and the Plymouth glass emblem is perfect we should put them on our 1946.. Wrong again honey.. They are different than our 1946 and we have a 1948 and there are not the same as that either although we both know the 1946-48 are pretty much the same car, at least in Canada they are.

The glass emblem actually is slightly bigger than our 1946..

The last piece of information we have is a the result of a bit of research that seems to lead us to believe that while there were around 100 permits issued and redeemed for Dodge cars, but for Plymouth coupes, it looks like there were only 3 redeemed. Now had I found the thing when I was a kid or it had gotten back into a driving shed or barn like a some of our Fargo and Dodge trucks well then it might be something.. Unfortunately what it is now is a Plymouth melting into the ground that I know most including myself would identify it as a 1946 Plymouth and if that is what the evidence was trust me I wouldn't feel near as bad as I do when the evidence seems to point that it was far more than that... which means it was potentially an opportunity for an ultra rare car lost..

With my luck... you got it, its the ultra rare car because its now basically worthless..

 

Plenty of cars out there that ''Coulda and Shoulda'' been worth lots but are now worthless. JW

 

Well, it depends on your skill and determination. There are some people on here who have fixed far worse, I mean just a few posts up, that '40 Ford most people would have never thought twice about, and that's just on this page. The HAMB has some very talented guys who can fix just about anything.......

 

^^^ Too true.
They'd pull out the pieces and have a car in a year, winning shows in two.
As an Arizonan,,,,,,,,,, rust is an oddity.

 

Sweden a few months ago.


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That's shit! Start saving it!

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Here is one all ready for the Holiday season.

 

It's missing all the tinsel and ornaments and lights...... LOL

 

They put the star at the bottom of the tree!

 

Mike I would love to hear the story on the recovery of this car. It must of been a challenge to get it out with out it folding like a wet box.

 

Your right, it needed a little decorating.

 

I found these in a swamp. There was a 32 sedan upside down in the water. the only thing I got was the dash, and I used it in my coupe. Before you ask, yeah someone had gotten the frame. Ron...

 

Behind a barn, Sweden.


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Behind a gas station in Sweden.


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Warehouse in Sweden.


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At least its in a warehouse.
Send some pics of em under the Swedish snow please.
Just for the additional heartbreak factor.

 

Nice Patina

 

Christmas day 2016 in my neck of the woods, we had two days of snow quitting on Christmas Eve. Clear all day today made for some interesting rotting pictures. Enjoy! Merry Christmas!