Technical Looking for away to delete power steering pump on ford 302

Hello, I'm installing a Ford 302 v8 into a model t hot rod. I want to remove the power steering pump because I don't need it. But the belt also turns the water pump. If I remove it how do I turn the water pump? Does anyone know of a way or a kit where I can run one belt to go from the crank, to the water pump, to the altinator? I can't be the first person to have this problem? Thanks for your help & any information is helpful thanks!

 

older pulley system and a v belt, its not hard at all

 

A picture or two of your present layout wouldn't hurt....

 

just use shorter belt.available at your local auto parts store....DUH

 

There has to be a waterpump pulley without the groove for power steering since it was an option. Doesn't the belt for the alternator/generator also drive the water pump? There were millions of cars made with a single belt turning the water pump and alternator...it'll be fine.

 

If you're talking serpentine belt...use an idler..

 

Verify your existing water pump and/or fan are not reverse rotation. By virtue of the
belt routing, most I've seen are. Still simple but would require changing the pump and fan to accommodate the CW rotation.

 

I ended up having to convert my engine over to the older water pump and crankshaft pulley setup when I eliminated an a/c compressor. I had to fabricate an alternator mount and put it on the drivers side. Ford doesn't make changing the pulley setup easy.

 

Ford didn't make anything easy after the flathead went out.
Pictures sure would make this idea post work smoother....

 

yes, I'll try and get some pics. There is a single belt that goes from the crank to the altinator. The altinator acts as a tentioner for the belt. That's not the problem. The problem is the other belt for the power steering pump, also turns the water pump. If I eliminate the power steering pump, I still have to turn the water pump. If I had a water pump pulley that lined up with the grooves on the altinator & crank pulley I can go to a one V-belt system. Does anybody know of a kit to do this or know wich water pump pulley I need to run one v-belt to turn the water pump & the altinator? thanks for your help.

 

If it's a serpentine belt set-up, you'll need to change to the earlier front dress; timing cover, water pump, and v-belts. If it's already V-belt, then you have options. Ford did build plenty of belt set-ups like you describe, but you generally need a 'set'. If the water pump and crank pulley line up, fabbing a bracket to locate the alternator is relatively easy...

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Here's a stock set-up. You may already have something similar, adjust the length of the spacer between the head and the alternator and get the right-length 7/16" bolt, maybe fab the top bracket out of flat stock, and you're good to go...

 

Not 'traditional' - but will probably save a LOT of headache as they've designed pulleys to do exactly what you want:
http://www.cvfracing.com/ford-small-block-pulleys-s/165.htm
I can't vouch for them, haven't used them, but plan on it soon.

Eli

 

What year is the 302? Could you post a picture of the front of the engine?

 

The 302 is from a 1977 LTD. I'll post a pic as soon as I can. ( I'm not good at that stuff.).
thanks.

 

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Modify the alternator mount to move it back so it lines up with the crank/water pump and find a belt that fits. You can cut off the 'extra' pulley groove on the crank pulley with a bit of care. You may have to fab the top alternator bracket, or find a used one. That's what I did on a 351W out of a '71 LTD, low-buck and looked factory when I was done...

 

thanks for all the ideas guys.

 

Here is my 302 , backside of the belt drives the waterpump

 

You don't have much belt wrap there...

 

I don't understand the question.

 

He has very little belt contact on the water pump pulley. When using serpentine belts, if you're using the flat 'back' side, you want at least 35% of the pulley in contact with the belt (even more is better).

 

It has been working well for 12 years and many thousands of miles , Waterpumps spin freely so - works for me

 

If this is a serpentine setup, Ford Racing makes a Power Steering pump eliminator for this purpose... a new shorter belt will be required. If v-belt, you have alot of options...

 

Boneyard, pre-1980's:

 

Or Scott Drake, chrome:
http://www.cjponyparts.com/scott-drake-alternator-bracket-chrome-set-260-289-302-1965-1969/p/ALTB9/

 

Shoot, I'm tying to add PS to my 351W, and am chasing pulleys, and brackets to get a system that will work. Nothing seems to be straight forward on the Ford v-belt systems.

 

Trade with the OP.

 

It can be tough to assemble a SBF v-belt system from loose parts... Best bet is to find a 'set'. The other thing to remember is the 289/302 brackets aren't all the same as the 351W because of the higher deck height. That Scott Drake set won't fit a 351... You can use the adjusting bracket, but not the top one. I fabbed my own...

 

Okay, the 1977 LTD motor is junk. So I bought another 302. The guy told me its an 80's model. Where do I look on the block to find some numbers to identify it & order parts? How do I tell if its a reverse rotation water pump? Thanks for all the help!

 

Usually the "reverse rotation" pumps come on rigs that have serpentine belts where the pump is often driven by the back side of the belt where it turns the pump backwards to the rotation of the engine. If it came with V belts you should be good.