So I have a question about gasoline. The gas these days doesn't seem as good to me as it did ten years ago. I put some gas in my portable welder. ( I know it's off topic but this happens in old cars) But after a month and a half it seems to go bad. Now I put some sea foam in with it and I may have added to much but the last time I used it it would not pick up rpms and if it did would fall on its face soon as you struck an arch. I drained as much fuel out as I could and put some fresh in. It seemed to run better. I drained the fuel out again and I noticed that it had a redish tint to it. So is there a decent answer out there on products that help ad life to fuel? And any tips on how to store gas in a tank for a period of a month or two? I am wondering if you got alcohol free gas if it would help? Hopefully someday I have enough business that I don't have to worry so much about it. Thanks Brian
drain it and run it dry, then refill when it's time to use it again. Alcohol free gas should not absorb water like gasahol does.
first , clean out the carburetor and then use nothing but ethanol free fuel add a fuel shutoff valve in the fuel line so you can run the carburetor dry. put a bit of sta-bil in the tank , run the engine so it gets into the carb , then shut the valve and run it dry. i do this on all my small engine powered equipment and i have absolutely no fuel related problems
They have eliminated your ability to store or stockpile fuel. It's just one small part of a huge conspiracy. Ethanol free fuel isn't available everywhere.
basically there is no where in Illinois to get alcohol free gas as we are a air quality state and if your with in 150 miles of a city that has a population of more than 100,000 then the gas is going to have alcohol in it FED EPA mandate so Chicago takes the north half and st louis covers the southern half , there is only one taxabel gas that does not have it and thats BP gold as they use a different oxygent in there product so they do not need it ) and it will store for up to a year without varnishing . but to store 90-10 Gold eagle makes a stabil product just for it and it works . the shelf life of 90-10 is 120 days . I have it stored in several machines with the stabil for up to a year without problems , But like squirell said the easiest way to prevent the problems is to drain it out but then you need to run a conditioner thru the carb as the gas will make crystals from the alcohol , thats were the seafoam comes in . make up about a cup of gas with some in it and run it thru till it runs dry or get some top end lube like we use for alcohol dragsters and use that , as for the red ting in the gas , thats from the refinery detergents oxidizing , more than likely the magnese
Aviation fuel has to keep up to 5 years in storage, we use AV100LL (100 octane low lead) in our equipment that sits with good luck. I use it in my high compression engines and have noticed very few fuel system problems compared to my other stuff.
the local mower shops are suggesting mixing the aviation gas 10% in pump fuel to avoid problems storing equipment over the winter.
list of alky free gas in Ill... City Brand Octane Name Phone Street Address Last Updated Albion CITGO 87 Knapp Mart 618-445-3831 36 4th St 2014-06-30 Anna UNBRANDED 93 Rhodes 101 Stop 618-833-5433 148 Leigh Ave 2015-10-29 Annawan CENEX 91 Gas Mart 309-935-6501 301 N Canal St 2013-08-23 Athens PHILLIPS 66 Bert's Service 217-636-8232 200 E Hargrave St 2015-08-01 Benton UNBRANDED 87 Rend Lake Marina 618-724-7651 8955 W Dam Ln 2014-01-07 Bloomington HYVEE 91 Hy-Vee 309-663-3072 1405 N Veterans Pkwy 2015-06-17 Bloomington GULF Quality Truck & Equipment 309-662-5344 1201 E Bell St 2014-10-22 Bluffs FAST STOP 91 Blue Jay Junction Fast Stop 217-754-3932 204 S Bluffs St 2014-09-16 Chenoa FS 87 Fs 815-945-3361 300 S Veto St 2015-05-27 Chillicothe PHILLIPS 66 91 Beck's C Store 309-274-2069 615 N 4th St 2014-01-23 Coal Valley BP 91 7 11 Bp #3139 309-799-7657 105 W 1st Ave 2013-10-28 Colona SHELL 89 Shell 309-796-1072 1350 Cleveland Rd. 2014-01-07 Columbus CENEX 91 Landmark Services 920-623-3260 501 Park Ave 2015-07-15 Cordova SHELL 91 Great River Mart 309-654-2900 199 Hwy 84 2015-06-17 Creal Spgs UNBRANDED 87 Creal Springs Mini Mart 618-996-2958 100 E Keely St 2015-07-27 Decatur PACIFIC PRIDE 91 Morgan Distributing 217-877-3579 3117 N 22nd St 2015-11-11 East Peoria PHILLIPS 66 87 91 Phillips 66 309-694-3202 2000 Springfield Rd 2014-01-07 East Peoria PHILLIPS 66 91 Santok Inc 309-694-7188 3701 E Washington St 2014-04-06 East Peoria PHILLIPS 66 91 Short Stop 66 309-699-9535 3322 Meadows Ave 2014-01-07 Effingham FS 87 Clay Fs 217-342-9234 410 S Willow St 2015-08-10 Flora FS 87 92 Fs 217-342-9231 11109 Old Hwy 50 2014-02-15 Forrest FS 87 Fast Stop 815-657-7582 901 N Center St 2014-03-28 Galena CONOCO 91 Keg & Cask Liquor Store 815-777-1141 11358 Industrial Park Dr 2015-09-08 Galesburg HYVEE 91 Hy-Vee 309-342-2394 2110 E Main St 2014-07-08 Geneseo PHILLIPS 66 92 Beck Oil 309-944-3329 525 W Main St 2014-01-07 Geneseo PHILLIPS 66 91 Becks #26 309-944-6040 2433 S Oakwood 2014-09-09 Geneseo AMOCO 92 Country Store 309-944-3161 12705 Wolf Rd 2014-08-14 Golconda UNBRANDED 87 Golconda Marina 618-683-5875 1 Marina Drive 2015-10-03 Good Hope BP 91 Good Hope Mart 309-456-3535 245 E Vine St 2015-07-31 Hampton PHILLIPS 66 91 S Hampton Service 309-755-7000 238 S State Ave 2014-05-25 Harrisburg UNBRANDED 92 Hathaway's One Stop 618-252-3551 1600 Hwy 145 S 2015-10-03 Havana UNBRANDED 91 Havana Reg. Airport 309-543-9006 17970 E C.R. 1100 N 2015-03-13 Hillsdale SHELL 89 Shell Express Lane 309-658-2345 32000 Rt 2 N 2014-01-07 Jacksonville UNBRANDED 90 Steve's Fuel/Auto Care 217-243-9932 935 S Main St 2014-05-25 Joliet UNBRANDED 91 Joliet Airport 815-741-7267 121 Airport Dr 2015-10-25 Kewanee PHILLIPS 66 91 Becks #16 309-856-5605 401 E Second St 2014-09-10 Kewanee BP 91 Becks #17 309-852-5249 349 S Tenney St 2015-09-30 Kewanee PHILLIPS 66 91 Hodge's 66 309-853-5011 801 N Main St 2014-01-07 Kirkland MARATHON 90 Kirkland Quick Stop 815-522-3510 411 Main St 2015-10-27 Knoxville PHILLIPS 66 91 The Junction 309-289-4317 711 Galesburg Rd 2015-08-17 Macomb HYVEE 87 Hyvee 309-836-3655 1600 E Jackson St 2015-01-28 Milan HYVEE 87 91 Hyvee 309-756-0108 201 W 10th Ave 2014-09-26 Moline HYVEE 87 91 Hyvee 309-762-3069 4228 Ave Of The Cities 2015-04-01 Monmouth PHILLIPS 66 91 Beck's Express 309-734-7177 1198 N Main St 2014-01-07 Monmouth UNBRANDED 87 100 Monmouth Muni Airport 309-734-3411 1322 N 11th St 2014-01-07 Monticello FS 92 Fs Fast Stop 217-762-2133 427 W Marion St 2015-06-13 Monticello UNBRANDED 87 100 Piatt Cnty Airport 217-762-9091 1000 E 1500 North Rd 2014-01-07 New Windsor UNBRANDED 87 New Windsor General Store 309-667-2722 514 Main St. 2014-05-19 Oglesby PHILLIPS 66 91 Beck's Phillips 66 815-883-9036 101 N Marquette Ave 2015-09-27 Olney UNBRANDED 87 Red Rooster 618-392-7941 1402 S West St 2015-09-23 Ottawa UNBRANDED 91 92 Jim Boe Service 815-434-0389 1011 Columbus St 2015-02-15 Palmyra UNBRANDED 89 100 Zelmer Mem Airpark 217-436-9003 Zelmer Airport Rd 2014-01-07 Paxton UNBRANDED 89 100 Paxton Airport 217-379-4022 W Ottawa 2013-10-28 Peoria HYVEE 91 Hi-Vee Gas 309-692-2549 5421 W War Memorial Dr 2014-08-26 Peoria Hts UNBRANDED Heights Foodmart 309-682-8062 4306 N Prospect Rd 2015-11-06 Peru HYVEE 87 91 Hyvee 815-223-4950 1651 Midtown Rd 2015-03-12 Poplar Grove MARATHON 90 J & D Countryside 815-765-3729 13615 Hwy 76 2015-09-01 Princeton PHILLIPS 66 91 Beck's West 815-872-0731 605 W Peru St 2014-01-07 Princeton UNBRANDED 91 Fs Fast Stop 815-872-0706 720 N Main St 2013-08-05 Quincy CASEY'S 87 Casey's 217-223-3514 3601 Maine St 2015-05-11 Quincy CASEY'S Casey's 217-224-6660 2418 N 24th St 2014-06-09 Quincy HYVEE 87 91 Hy Vee 217-228-0618 310 N 36th St 2015-08-02 Quincy HYVEE 87 91 Hy-Vee 217-222-2505 1300 Harrison St 2014-06-01 Rapids City UNBRANDED 87 Git N Go 309-496-9776 1310 2nd Ave 2013-06-14 Rock City CITGO 93 Duncans Pit Stop 815-865-5615 7443 Hwy 75 2013-10-23 Rushville SHELL 93 Crane's Shell Service 217-322-3732 102 E. Adams 2015-03-20 Salem CITGO 87 Salem Knapp Mart 618-548-1677 500 S Broadway Ave 2015-08-07 Savanna UNBRANDED 91 100 Tri-Township Airport 815-273-3555 8049 Hwy 84 S 2014-01-07 Seneca VALVTECT 91 Spring Brook Marina 815-357-8666 623 W River Dr 2015-09-29 Springfield HYVEE 91 Hy-Vee 217-726-1022 1025 Outer Park Dr 2015-09-20 Sullivan PHILLIPS 66 91 Gasland Foodmart 217-728-2296 105 W Jackson St. 2015-11-05 Sullivan UNBRANDED 91 Howy's Lakeside 217-728-2812 801 Hwy 32 2015-11-06 Thomson PHILLIPS 66 The Station 815-259-2705 1865 Hwy 84 2015-03-17 Tremont UNBRANDED 87 Tremont Oil Co 309-925-2251 201 E Pearl St 2014-01-07 Tuscola UNBRANDED 89 Tuscola Airport 217-253-4342 880 Cnty Rd 900 E 2014-01-07 Vienna UNBRANDED 92 Thomas Liquor & Gas 618-658-8955 527 E Vine St 2014-12-24 Viola CASEY'S 87 Casey's 309-596-2445 912 13th St 2014-02-15 Woodhull BP 91 Express Lane 309-334-2530 111 N W 5th St 2014-03-19
Visit www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp to find ethanol-free gas stations by state. I like Iowa but I wish they'd keep their corn squeezins out of my gas! 31Vicky with a Hemi - I'm surprised there aren't any ethanol-free stations in Cleveland!
Some guys use Staybill (sp), I don't seem to have much problem or as much as other fellas do. I have run some pretty skunky gas in my lower performance motors, like my lawn mower for example that actually stinks when it is running. That is usually gas left setting for a year or so. That fuel index that everyone talks about if not kept up to date. For the longest time for example it showed the only stations in KC that had alcohol free gasoline were one a marina (that would not sell gasoline for automobiles) and the other in mid town the same one that had E-85, it had been boarded up for years (even before E-85). Doesn't hurt to check it but don't expect it to be accurate.
The problem with alcohol in fuel is called phase separation. This is an unavoidable process. It is like the separation of oil and vinegar salad dressing. There are no fuel treatments that can prevent this. It is a product of the stupid policy of putting food in our fuel tanks.
Funny aint it? A few marinas have some low octane junk corn free. Great for mower. There was a station not far from me that dropped their 100 octane cam2 and uses the tank for E85 now. Ughhh. I can find 110 but I don't like it, its too high rating and full of lead. Had some of that shit gas destroy a brand new fuel system. It sat for a few years, but new parts pump tank lines destroyed.
I use 100% gas in my truck, cars, and mower. The gas that I leave in the mower this winter will start and run fine next spring, and won't evaporate like the mixed shit does. Lot of treehuggers around here, but the 100% gas station in town sells a lot of gas, usually at about 30-40 cents more a gallon than the gasohol stuff.
LOL the only corn free gasoline around here is premium and you get it of all places at the gas station owned by the local HY Vee grocery stores. Not a problem for me, my old stuff all runs real well on 93 octane gasoline. The down side is that I do a lot of my cruising out on the highway and there are not many places that are easy to find out on the road that uses vegetable free gasoline.
I have 3 stations here that sell ethanol-free, 2 within a mile of my house and 1 close by where I work 8 miles from home. All 3 sell it as 91 octane and I get better fuel mileage with it. I think the reason we have it around here is because I live near a sizable lake and I understand that boats have issues with the phase separation and the water that the alcohol draws.
every time I mention the Illinois ethanol act someone post that site or the historic vehicle site or pure gas .com most of the stations the owners forget to put the labels on the pump them when they change a cover or have them pressure washed ( IEPA is the ones who enforce it and there are few inspectors , dept of Ag does the pump calibrations for taxes ) and I have seen several stations listed and unlisted here in town because a sticker was missing and we are in the 6 county district , (Will county ) and people assume its non ethanol since no sticker ( but the other side of the pump has one ) . I know from hauling the stuff ( off and on for 20 years Gas , Diesel , USCG marine oils , Avgas and Jet A and petroleum products ) , I have a book of MSD's from different suppliers and terminals ( I go 250 miles out from the lemont refinery area ) , and when you load you have to put in the destination number as thats how they tax the station and you cannot redirect the load , the only gas products I know of that Do not have ethanol in Illinois are BP gold as it uses Tame or ISo -octane or Shell V-power 93 ( ETBE or TAme ) and all the FS fuels are e-10 and there diesel is B-10 ( they are owned by farmers and support bio fuels ) Fs ( fast stop ) is Farm Service Growmark , I know they do sell non E 87 in some other states . most of the airports will no longer sell to you unless they have a pilots license and tail number ( DHS wants to keep tabs on it ) , I know the Joliet airport will not sell unless your in a plane as the truck and pumps are in a restricted area ( DHS ) and racing gas is easier and cheaper around here since they opened the dragstrip . the marinas I delivered to the pumps were on the shore and they only serviced boats and it was Almost .50 a gallon more expensive and it was a Bulk terminal no name E-10 gas with a additive ( generic stabil or valvetech usually added at the drop ) as they have a high turn over rate in fuel and ussually only take 1000-2500 gallons and get daily deliveries in the summer ( bobtail deliverys ) . mostly only the big boats ( cigarettes) or old cabin cruisers fuel at the marinas as most pull there boats and take them home and fuel up at the gas station on the way in or out .
For small engines (or, big wallets) one alternative to the fuel lottery and stabilizers is to use naptha, commonly known as Coleman fuel. It is used for stoves and lanterns and doesn't sour or turn to gum/varnish. It lasts 20 years in stoves at least, with maybe a little reduction in output. Octane is about 50. It works fine too, in two stroke lawnmowers in a pinch. Note this is not for regular use, but for storage/emergency or overwinter purpose. I had heard once it was used by rescue squads in certain equipment that lays idle much of the time but has to start first time every time, like the "jaws of life". Don't know if that's true but it stands to reason. Should be about perfect for anything over the winter that is neglected, and portable generators, etc.
I don't know how much difference there is between countries, but our gas is red, or pink in color. I notice it turns clear in my filter after around an hour in the sun. I can only guess the sun bleaches the dye outer it. Everyone I've asked about this, has no idea. We do have varnish issues, after sitting for a while to. I need to find out how long I can leave this stuff in my tank, as the Hudson is off the road at present for maintaince.
Sta-Bil does seem to work, and is available "in stores everywhere". I use a product called PRI-G that may be better, I dunno. Keep the tank full and out of the sun seems to help. And drive the damn thing!
I use the Marine stable, suppose to be better, and I mix in a little Sea-Foam, I am using this mix in all cars bikes and small engines, and so far so good, about 3 years now.
I use stabil as I used to deliver to them and they gave me a box of the stuff and it works well , and the secret chemical is something realitively simple as I met the guy who delivers it ( its food grade ) seafoam you have to be carefull as it contains alcohol , not ethanol but Isopranopol /Isopropyl ( rubbing alcohol ) and will mix with water like ethanol . but sea foam is a detergent package , they have a packing plant in MIlwaukee . I used to think it was snake oil till I was given a sample pack , and tried it , it cleaned up several gummed up motors . as for getting non alcohol fuel ( tru fuel ) , my local big box store sells it in quart cans for chainsaws and weed wackers , its $24 a gallon ( 5.98 a quart ) not the pre mix either !. coleman fuel otherwise know to some people as whitegas , is naptha works great but has a octane number of 55-57 , we used to use it to cut gas and diesel fuel ( cuts the wax to prevent clouding or jelling in #2 ) and fires up quick in cold low compression tractors .( like a AC wd 45 with a HC head ( 5.75:1 ) for a old L head Briggs, Tecumsche , with low compresion ratios it would be ok to use with a little gas to up the octane , but with the NEw OHV motors with a higher compression ratio of 8.5:1 I would use 87 octane gas .
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