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Technical 1956 chrysler industrial hemi

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by 55 dude, May 20, 2015.

  1. today i decided to stop at a place i have seen a large generator sitting for many years since i noticed a woman outside and asked if generator might be for sale and she said yes so she went and got hubby and turns out to be a 50KW generator powered by a 1956 industrial hemi! the guy is a retired construction forman that installed boilers and this was backup generator at a hospital and according to paperwork has less than 400 hours running on natural gas. on the tag that says Chrysler Industrial it says : ind-56 model type 373 serial number 11281 is it a 373? not much hemi knowledge and thought it might be cool looking in my 1950 mercury coupe! any info would be helpful, thanks!
     

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  2. Shaggy
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  3. Are you going to buy it?
     
  4. have to id it first but those are my plans. i have zero idea what it's worth and the guy said we can fire it up.
     

  5. George
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    IND 56 is a 331. Hemi Tech Index Start reading! You'll need to change the cam.
     
  6. 73RR
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    ...this really cool web site says it is a 331... http://www.qualityengineeredcomponents.com/?page_id=8
    The photos are a bit unclear on two items...it appears that the top rad hose drops nearly vertically to the water pump which would indicate a 56A design but then the rear of the block 'almost' looks like a '51-'53 version...:cool:
    Previous IND-56 versions indicate that it should share the same basic layout as the '54 passenger car 331.
    Interesting plug wire routing...:confused:

    It should make a decent driver as is but a cam change should be considered since it was originally designed
    to run in a steady state.

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  7. DDDenny
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    You might consider restoring it like this, you can always find a Hemi engine for your Merc. if your heart is set on it.
    Siren.jpg
     
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  8. That's one fine machine.
     
  9. 73RR
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    Way back in the 'old-days', well at least before computers and AlGores internet, I scrapped two of the air raid systems to get at the 331 engines. Years later I took a tongue lashing from the restorers..Hell, I never would have guessed that it/they had a weird cult-like following. I still have the radiators and some small stuff if anyone has a need...

    .
     
  10. i'm going to stop back by and take more pictures for more info. the owner is 72 and will sell it to me, the great thing is it's less than 1/2 mile from home and i could drive my forklift over and haul it home. anyone have a idea what this setup would be work? he claims it's a functional unit plus has all paperwork from day one of the unit including bill of sale from manufacturer!
     
  11. What would i do with restored 50KV generator?o_O
     
  12. DDDenny
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    Some people "get it" some people don't.
     
  13. pull the hemi and .....?
     
  14. you could power the neighbor hood during outages ????....if it runs - should be worth up to a grand easy with the low hours....also has the heavy duty valves/guides and stuff already....
     
  15. hope to have a start up film tomorrow!
     
  16. Beanscoot
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    If I'm not mistaken, the industrial engines also had a gear driven cam with no idler so reverse rotation. Very nice from an engineering viewpoint, compared to the usual timing chain and sprockets.
    I would try running it as is without dismantling at all, if it seems good on the test run. Then if you make changes later you will see the result.
    It seems to have a pretty tall two barrel intake, and the wires don't enter the covers at the right place. Maybe it's a four barrel with a natural gas adaptor?
     
  17. George
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    Some truck/ind had reverse rotation cams. If it's a reverse rotation cam someone once posted that either the B or RB dizzy had the same length shaft. Perhaps a dizzy from witch ever one it is could be used to upgrade the dizzy(believe the ind dizzys have no vacuum adv) where the B/RB dizzys turn the opposite direction of the normal Hemi/A/LA. Saw a drawing in a parts catalog that seemed to show a reverse direction dizzy for a 354.
     
  18. 73RR
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    I am of the belief that the two-gear, reverse rotation package was a truck application. Although all of the Industrial engines I have had were chain driven I will never say 'never' with MaMopar.
    I am told that this engine was in fact running on NG, and with only 400 hours on the clock so it should sparkle inside.
     
  19. ok here are some more updates, tag on bellhousing reads IND-56 and according to available info indicates 1956 331! the thermostat housing is on the water pump, on block directly in front of valley cover their are no stamped numbers where i was directed to look, thanks Gary!
     

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  20. more! it has duel point distributor and i was mistaken about the running hour on natural gas, i was sure it was 400 but instead it's less than 50!:cool: next week i'm going back with everything i need to fire it off and will do my very best to have help to film it being fired off!;)
     

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  21. Great find, especially being so low hours. Plenty have converted the industrial version into car engines, so lot of possibilities there.
     
  22. Maybe I'm missing something here; but that looks like a gasoline carb in the first set of pictures.
     
  23. gatz
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    The '56 331 Ind engine that I purchased had the s/n stamped on the left front (dr side) of the block. 'will post a pic if you'd like.
     
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  24. gatz
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    Surprised that OSHA didn't cite that for no mufflers.
     
  25. please do!
     
  26. the carb was added later, it was hooked to natural gas. the muffler setup was right a 4 feet long according to the current owner since it was in a hospital and had to be "super quiet"! i need to know point gap of the duel point setup to check and re-gap points after i clean them up next week before firing it off!
     
  27. more pictures!
     

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  28. according to casting numbers 1610472-1 the intake is for a 1956 chrysler 301/331 poly motor! their is another set of casting code on intake j-5-6 which should mean September 5 1956!
     
  29. gatz
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    On this engine, the 6714561 stamping is not all that deep, but it is legible.
    You may have to remove some components to get at that area on yours.
    I stamped the same ID on the top front of the valley like the other "standard" engines.

    Maybe someone can explain why Chrysler chose to stamp Industrial engines this way.
    Only thing that comes to mind is that in that environment/application , it may have been easier to see.




    Looks like this may have been done on a Monday morning.
     
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