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Technical Tech Q for all you brainiacs Cadillac rear discs to 5 stud chevy.

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by judder_man, Oct 31, 2014.

  1. judder_man
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    I have Cadillac Saville town car rear axle from I think a 77?? It has rear discs but Caddy 5 stud I want it chevy smaller 5 stud pcd if possible? Is there a chevy rear disc and hub that will straight swap out?

    thanks
     
  2. squirrel
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    Chevys were drum brake. Similar rear was used in late 70s to 1981 Camaro, with disc brakes. small bolt pattern.

    I don't know if the rear end width was the same.
     
  3. Hnstray
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    The Cadillac Seville in '77 for sure, and maybe '78, were the 4 3/4" bolt pattern.
    The '79 was 5" bolt circle. So, if you do indeed have a '77, you should already have
    4 3/4" bolt pattern.

    All that aside, the Seville disc brake calipers have a poor reputation for the parking
    brake assembly.
    You probably could adapt a different rear caliper and keep the rotors though.

    I have a '79 Seville rear axle and I put 10" s-10 drum brakes on it for simplicities sake
    and because the axle was going into a '54 GMC 1/2 ton pickup and didn't need the
    extra braking capacity anyway. I simple redrilled the drums to 5" bolt circle.

    On the front, I adapted '79 Seville rotors and big GM calipers to the MMII
    spindles, giving me big brakes and 5" pattern there too.

    Ray
     
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  4. Hunt down rottenlenard here and order an axle re drill jig. For 100.00, about an hours time and a set of studs your troubles will be behind you.
     

  5. Atwater Mike
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    Hnstray be Heeded! I managed a brake & wheel shop for a couple of years here, and our least favorite was the Caddy disc rear caliper! Initial settings were not 'repair-friendly', and to service the parking brake (helically threaded pistons in caliper!) was time-consuming and frustrating.
     
  6. 1oldracer
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    I think you mean 4 3/4 not 5 3/4
     
  7. Hnstray
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    yeah....I just realized that a few moments ago and corrected it... :oops:

    brain malfunction.........increasingly common....:D

    Ray
     
  8. treb11
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    Seville brackets and calipers are the same as 79 - 81 Trans Am. Use T/A rotors, which come with 4-3/4 BP. Might need a spacer ring to match the hub diameter on the axle flange. The parking brake is problematic in areas with heavy winter + salt usage. Down here in Texas, I've never had a problem. YMMV Parking brake is retracted for pad replacement with a tool, looks like a 1" cube with various pins on it. Available at any NAPA
     
  9. judder_man
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    It could be a 79. I've had it a while I forget. It was the first one with the olds engine with single point injection. Defo 5stud p.c.d greater in size than regular Chevy/jag
    Looking at the hub it does not look possible/easy to re drill

    Thanks for the advise so far.

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  10. Hnstray
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    If it is a '79.....it's also a very tall gearing.....about 2.28 to 1. The '79 only had that
    rear end and the Turbo 400 trans had the Commercial/RV planetary set with a
    2.75 first gear vs the 2.48 1st gear found on almost all other T400's.

    If you can use that tall a gear, well, great, but just wanted you to be aware of it.

    Ray
     
  11. deucemac
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    I did this swap on a '55 Chevy truck I built a few years ago. I used Nova axles of the same length ( forgot the year but figuring out the length is not brain surgery) and I used '79-'81 Trans Am rear discs. It all bolted together with a 4 3/4 bolt circle and worked perfect plus since it was all factory parts, replacements are available everywhere.
     
  12. Mr48chev
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    If that Seville rear end is like the 76 Seville rear I have sitting out in my parts stash it has a big flange to connect the driveshaft to rather than the normal Chevy style yoke for a U joint to be fastened into.
    After a bit of research on O'Reilly's website it seems that only 76 Sevilles had 5 on 4-3/4 with drum rear brakes while 77 and up had disk rear with 5 on 5 bolt pattern. My education for the day.
     
  13. judder_man
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    Thanks for that Ray. I'm intending to build a cruiser that can tow a caravan. Tho those gears maybe too tall for my engine choice I will have to have a think about that issue.


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  14. judder_man
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    Some great info guys thanks. It is the big flange instead of usual yoke style connection on the diff luckily I have the matching prop. Either way I will be using this axle at some point so big thanks for the info on the discs.


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