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Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by J.Ukrop, May 23, 2014.

  1. J.Ukrop
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    J.Ukrop submitted a new blog post:

    The Phantom Liner

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  2. Bdamfino
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    Menacing doesn't come close to that photo!!!!
     
  3. flamingokid
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    I've never met a streamliner that I didn't like....I really like this one.
     
  4. Ryan
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    I had never seen the shot of it in primer doing the burnout... Dear god...
     

  5. Nick32vic
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    I wish I knew more about it Joey, but we both know that If you don't know something about a vintage race car then I sure as hell won't know. That picture is pretty ridiculous, in REALLY good way. Oh, and good idea to add the side note about the google image search. I barely knew about it so I'm sure there are a lot of people on here that will find it useful.
     
  6. Joey @J.Ukrop Ukrop -

    I too have had this "Phantom Liner" pic collecting "digital dust" in my photo archives ... I could have sworn I found it here on the H.A.M.B. ... but couldn't find it searching through the several other TJJ Blogs / HAMB threads about Jocko and/or his streamliners:
    Perhaps our resident LIONS Drag strip historian (Doug @Mazooma1 Hayes) posted it ... I noticed that the majority of his Photobucket images have gone missing (i.e., been moved or deleted from his Photobucket albums).
     
  7. That car is pure sex. There is an example (recreation or not?) at Garlits Museum. I could look at it for hours, but my wife gets so damn jealous.
     
  8. catdad49
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    Never seen this shot before. Pure Nirvana. Does look a little more stretched than the red and white version, but a menacing, monster shot. Thanks for the post and ya'll have a fun and safe weekend!
     
  9. junkman8888
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    Please note smoke inside the cockpit. What a wild ride
     
  10. dirty old man
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    I'm at that age where my memories of the distant past are often clearer than those of last week. And when I saw the pic on the home page of J J I said to myself,"Seems to me that was owned/built by a guy named Jocko." Damn, I was right! That was one of several attempts back then to use aerodynamics in drag racing, with not a lot of success from most. Most successful to my memory was the beautiful open wheel, streamlined body, enclosed cockpit "Glass Slipper" from Sacto, CA. Have regrets to this day that I didn't try to get a peek at that car when I briefly lived in Sacto in the late 50s. The car set FIA records that stood for many years, may still hold them for all I know!
    Often wondered whether with today's aero space knowledge, CAD CAM design and all the digital technology if there would be success today with streamlining at today's blistering spe
     
  11. Hot Rods Ta Hell
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    Looks to be at Lions. Possibly someone can narrow down how long the car lived in primer to estimate what year this was. Maybe someone such as Mazooma was actually there and saw it run in this guise...
     
  12. dreracecar
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    Weight of aerodynamic form overshadows any gain from it
     
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  13. dirty old man
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    This was always true in the past, but that was before lightweight materials such as carbon fiber, etc. being easily available, and before the astronomical power of todayh's top fuel engines.
    These 2 factors could possibly change that equation, maybe?
     
  14. dreracecar
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    Racer/engineer Jim Head spent Thousands of dollars on super liteweight composites and Ti to inclose his fuel car aerodynamicly, Conclusion== "Making it strong enough to withstand the forces to keep it from colapsing and holding shape added weight which negated any bennifits".

    Anything you look at today is not slipstream aerodynamics but "AIR MANAGEMENT"
    There is an old addage "If it looks aerodynamic- It probably isn't"

    Modern fuel racing today is not about HP as much about controling it , and that is done inside the clutch can.
     
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  15. raprap
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    It sure looks like the Mooneyes Yellow Streamliner before paint to me.
     
  16. Gman0046
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    That primer Streamliner reminds me of an SR-71 Blackbird I saw take off at Kadena Air Force Base Okinawa. Never heard an aircraft make that much noise before.
     
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  17. snaptwo
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    Garlts ordered a body claimed to set new speed and ET records and found it would fly at 180. I did visit Jockos old metal barn/shop on No.Cherry in Long Beach while the hand formed alum. body was being built (hunks of the glass car served as his sign) perhaps that was the primered car ?
     
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  18. Smokin Joe
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    I would guess this is the body built for Don Garlits before final paint. But never saw the car so just guessing. I had a rubber band powered model of Jocko's streamliner back in my early teens. Remember those?
     
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  19. Jack Luther
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    Reminds me of the ME262 Fighter
     
  20. That is an absolutely wicked shot! Need a framed, or at least laminated version for my garage...
     
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  21. Benoit Pigeon
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    1987 outside Garlits Museum
     

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  23. J.Ukrop
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    Same place in a different time. Lifted off eBay. I'm thinking the car was in black primer right before this.
     
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  24. Outback
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