Vintage shots from days gone by!

awesome!

 

1946 Kansas roadhouse

 

What a great collection of photos you have posted, would love to know the website they come from.

 

That is Elfi Duntov and her '57 fuelie

 

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I just found this on the death of Elfi Duntov
- from Oct. 2008 - "The Lady Beside the
Legend Passes"

Mart3406
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http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-and-c2-corvettes/2166289-special-news-elfi-duntov-passes.html

Special News - Elfi Duntov Passes <hr style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" size="1"> The Lady Beside the Legend Passes

Elfi Arkus-Duntov passed away last night
(October 23) at St. John’s Hospital in Detroit.
She had been hospitalized there for several
weeks with a severe leg infection.

The former dancer from the Folies Bergere in
Paris was 93 going on 19. Together, she and
Zora personified the performance and allure
of the early Corvettes. Even well into their
years, the pair had an energy and spark that
infected everyone around them. Now they
can be together again.

Funeral arrangements are pending and
additional information will be made available
via NCM eNews. Elfi will be cremated and her
ashes will be joined with Zora's as part of the
current tribute inside the Museum.
======================

 

Looks as though Zora Duntov was both talented AND a very lucky man, as well!

 

Smart-ass Twin6, I severed ALL of my ties with the FBI when I left in 1946, I wish you wouldn't bring this up again. I am now a gentleman farmer and 'rodder. Thank you very much.

Oh, and BTW, don't tell those pinheads at MI-5 this conversation ever happened! (Especially that self-important inventor jerk, Q!)

 

Wow, is this who I think it is?? No, I'm not thinkin' the top G-man in drag with a spy-cam!

( I know - it's Shirley Temple )

 

Thanks fellow HAMBers for pointing a MoPar guy to one of the most
interesting GM background stories, I'm sure, in existence! I spent
several engrossing hours reading various parts of the story of Zora
and Elfi's amazing life. It is especially refreshing to see a woman por-
trayed (correctly here) as an automobile aficionado and not just some
car guy's arm candy. And Zora's emigration and subsequent suc-
cess harks back to a time in this country when someone could start
with nothing more than talent and help build a legend (albeit not single-
handedly). Great reading, with some moments of real suspense,
romance and adventure.





Elfi in a '55 'Vette. Photo from the Zora Arkus-Duntov Collection,
THANKS to flickr!




Photo THANKS to SmokinVet



Photo THANKSCorvetteBrasil.blogspot

BTW, anybody know if all five of Duntov's 1963 Corvette
Grand Sports still exist (meaning NOT repros)?


Also, In surfing, I learned of the authorized biography of Zora Duntov,
should anybody want to look for it: Zora Arkus-Duntov: The Legend
Behind Corvette by Jerry Burton (Bentley Publisher).


Incidentally, I am aware that some in Corvette Country feel that
Duntov gets to much credit in the modern interpretation of the
historical record. And maybe that beef has some grounds.
Certainly, when all aspects are examined, Earl, Mitchell, Picker-
ing and others got the Corvette rolling, conceived and executed
as a rather well-behaved road machine. But viewing the whole
picture, even naysayers must give Duntov a lion's share of credit
for transforming the 'vette into a performer that could run with
other world-class cars. For the objective observer, it seems to
me, there's plenty of room for credit, all 'round, in Corvette
Country. 'Nough said.

 

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So does that mean that the mid 1940's/years that they/brothers/~Zora spent developing parts for FORD/WAR vehicles and the Hemi Headed FORD Flathead/ARDUN heads for late 40's early 50's trucks, And the design that DESOTO/MOPAR then stole for their "All New' HEMI design are non history?



?


?
Is there a website out there that is claiming that DUNTOV was a genius at GM in '53-55 but while designing the HEMI head for the Flathead (Allard) in the 1940's he was a retard and not worth mentioning - Before or even after 1952 when Desoto/Chrysler stole/adapted his ARDUN Flathead Ford Design??

Where is this website?

Is it wikipedia or the Chevelle forums, I can't tell the difference

confused.

 

You lost me there. Seems more like a series of rhetorical questions intended somehow to answer themselves. If so, everybody has a right to voice their opinion and, apparently, we've heard yours, NukeGM. BTW, I don't remember slamming the Duntov brothers with a single word in Post #26,704. My comments were constructive, I feel, and they represent my opinion. 'Nough said. Let's post pictures, not start an OT debate.

 

Several baseball greats were well known automobile lovers.
Thanks to VintageBall.com, here's a early pic (circa 1910?) showing
Pirates star Honus Wagner and some fishing chums having a field
day. Who can ID the car?

 

Another Pittsburgh Pirates Hall-of-Famer, Fred Clarke, at the wheel
of a ca. 1910 Studebaker touring.

 

An amazing pic, to me anyway, of hunting buddies Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker.
Looks to be from a trip out to one of the Rocky Mountain states, possibly in
the off-season. This photo was issued by the Elliot News Service which freq-
uently issued news posters for public display. Surely makes a statement about
how times have changed, eh? ​

Although the exact date of this photo is unknown (somebody hazard a WAG?),
Cobb and Speaker underwent heavy grilling in 1926 after Dutch Leonard accused
them of fixing and betting in rigged games. The two were banned, only to be re-
instated by Baseball Commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis. However, they
both ended their careers not for the teams of their glory days, but playing for
Connie Mack's Philadelphia Athletics.​

 

I dig this photo of Nap Lajoie of Cleveland and Ty Cobb of Detroit playing all nicey
for a Chalmers "30" automobile photo in 1911 at Tigers Park. Cobb and Lajoie had
wound up in a virtual -- but hotly disputed -- tie for the 1910 batting title. Hugh Chal-
mers solved the issue by giving Cobb the award (called MVP after 1915) and giving
BOTH big-sticks a Chalmers to tool around in. PhotoTHANKS to ChromJuelen! Inci-
dentally, it was Cobb's SECOND Chalmers car.





Ty and Nap, THANKS to Wikipedia!

 

Not wanting to take anything away from Duntov or Chrysler but hemi heads were around a long time before they came up with their designs. I think the Welch about 1912 was the first. The Chrysler hemi was an offshoot of an experimental aero they designed towards the end of WWII. The war ended and the engine never went into production. One story (probably untrue) Duntov designed the Ardun heads for Croydon town council in the U.K., because their flathead garbage trucks were not powerful enough for the job

 

V8Nutter, good input. The Hemispherical combustion chamber
was around for a long time, before Chrysler or anybody else
started exploring the possibilities. So, no, it wasn't some stroke
of genius that just dropped out of the sky on some lucky inventor.
As a matter of fact (besides the 1912 Welch you mentioned), I think
Terry Stafford's Stafford automobile, out of Kansas and Topeka
(1908-1915), used Hemispherical combustion chambers -- probably
why Harry Truman like souping up HIS Stafford (making Give-'em-
Hell-Harry one of the first 'rodders! LOL).



1911 Stafford, thanks to American-Automobile.com. Guy in the driver seat look familiar?



Factory-sponsored Stafford racer. Year unknown.

 

Siamese Allis-Chalmers Dozer used for the Garrison Dam construction. Possibly built by Buster Peterson for the project.

 

Other than old car pics I love to fall into old baseball pics.
Thanks, JH291!

 

Thanks, man! Though I am a writer, ONE good photo can speak a thousand words -- I think, WHY everybody loves this thread! (And, did you notice the Ty Cobb eagle-eyed look? (I'll bet Sachel Paige would have LOVED to play with, or against, the likes of those guys!)

But, holy mackerel! I'd love to know how wide that double-Cat dozer blade was! Wow!

 

That dozer is awesome! Necessity truly is the mother of invention.
There is always so much going on in old pics. Most times the background is equally as intriguing as the fore. For Instance, all the gentlemen in suits or ties at ballgames and cars or buildings in the background of most pics on this thread.

 

Jimi, I think that 4 of the original Grand Sports exist. One, the Penske car, is in the Simeone Collection in Philley. As to the hemi I think Peugeot is credited with the first around '08?.