here is the 36 matford engine see same numbers of headbolts and 2 exhaustports maby ford tested a 60 hp prototype in france
That's what I was saying on page 1. The interesting thing about this engine with the two exhaust poirts is the fact that the inlet /exhaust valve layout is different from conventional flatheads with the 3 exhaust ports. Looking at the pics in post one suggest the inlets are at the very end of the block and in the middle. This means the vavles locations are the reverse of the conventional flathead. Hence the exhausts are in pairs and siamesed to produce two exhaust outlets . I would be keen to see that inlet manifold removed .
After being on here a few years, I wonder if anyone looks at any of the previous posts before responding. Other than this one, I will refer to the number of 4, 5, or even 6 year old posts that have gotten new life over the last couple of weeks because some newb dug them up and then all kinds of folks jump on them. Please people, read the post before you jump in.
Yeah, it'd have to be. Yeah, the valve order on one bank of cylinders for a conventional Ford Flathead would have to be E-I-I-E-E-I-I-E which gives you 3 exhaust ports because they pair the exhaust ports for the two middle cylinders together. In contrast the valve order on one bank of cylinders for a this Flathead would have to be I-E-E-I-I-E-E-I which pairs the exhaust ports for the first two cylinders together and the exhaust ports for the last two cylinders together so you end up with just the two exhaust ports. Needless to say, most of the performance engine parts made for a conventional Ford Flathead aren't going to fit on this engine, but if you can get the parts needed to rebuild it you can probably get it running, and a lot of the same tricks that would improve the performance of a conventional Ford Flathead could work on this engine, too. I suppose a guy could fabricate a "log style" intake manifold of some sort to allow the use of more than one carb, get a custom ground cam, port and relieve the thing, and build some custom headers, too. It would cost quite a lot and you'd likely end up with something that didn't really put out all that much horsepower compared to even a more conventional, larger flathead, much less an overhead valve V8, but it would be a neat conversation piece in a hoodless roadster. Now mind you, a lot of guys would walk right by it not even noticing anything was different about it, but the flathead enthusiasts would spot the differences immediately and stop to chat.
So, I guess that's it then. Matford V8. I wonder about the displacement. Maybe it's the same 2.3l v8 used in the early vedettes? Wonder if it's rare, and where to find parts?
Okay I am probably the last person here that would know, but I remember when I was stationed in England in the '80s we were at a breakers yard called "Bloxham's"(?) and we looked at a stepvan/bread truck kinda thingy. As I remember it had a very similar engine and I was intrigued that something so old and european was a V8 and used so much aluminum. I also remember it had body panels that seems to have bead rolling in them and wheels that were tall and skinny around a 22" x 4" ish range. I don't know if this helps or not.
This is a Matford V8-62, 13CV, 135 cu.i., 60 HP http://www.mirebalais.net/article-17330173.html Michael
No not the same as in the vedettes the vedette engine is very similar as the american 60 hp and it later got modernised like the 49-53 flathead =separate bellhousing conventional distributor non floating rodbearings and it got single vaterpump bigger intake valves and smaler exhaust valves better exmanifolds think the most hp it got was 82 Ithink your engine is wery rare my dad told me he think he saw a engine like that in some german military vehicle in norway in the 60-70s ps shmoosos pictures is of a later vedette engine
I'm not aware of any German military vehicle using the small V8-60 design engines. Ford of France produced for the Wehrmacht during German occupation in all plants, but all military vehicles like "Maultier" and "schwerer Einheits-PKW" used the larger 3.6 and 3.9 litre Ford flatheads. However it was common that confiscated and captured vehicles ended up in Wehrmacht use.
You are all , Wrong , It is a Standard motor company V8 that was a very small run in pommy land , around 38 . Sorry.
Yes i know my father have an Indian Prince that wehrmacht had in Finland original from France Two guys from Sweden crossed the Finisch border one night and stole it from the Germans!!!!!gues you got to have lot of balls to do that. He bought it from one of them in the 60s
Scott, were you based at Upper Heyford? The yard you mention sounds like Smith's at Bloxham village. Great place - in the '80s we'd be over there regularly grabbing any SBC, 9" Ford axle, and anything else of use we could find, from scrapped cars left behind by returning servicemen. The yard is still there, but since Heyford has been closed for a few years there's no US stuff in there anymore.
Maby we are wrong but i think you are wrong to here is a pic of the standard V8 .Exhaustports exit the top of the block single waterpump water entering block different and so on
Here's a brochure for a Matford V8 that looks similar to an earlier picture but this one has three exhaust ports - maybe an evolution of the earlier design? http://www.flickr.com/photos/32109282@N00/4452442256
Got some better pics yesterday. Sadly they are from my phone, so the quality is questionable. It is definately a Ford engine: I think that Matford 1936 V8-62 is the closest so far. Now... where to get parts? I need a gearbox, a dizzy and a starter. The other parts is salvable. No rust found on any of the internals that we saw anyway. The gunk you see inside the cylinders is oil to free the piston rings.
I think regular ford 60 hp or early vedette parts fitts or you can adapt a Volvo m40 box to the engine if the clutch disc is same as vedette it fits the volvo splines
last time I was in at the infamous Belgian scrapyard there were still a lot of French V8-60 parts: http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=392659&referrerid=90496 I know the yard has been cleared meanwhile, but there were still "tin block" V8-60 and English Ford Pilot parts in the shed. Long drive from Scandinavia though ....
anymore teardown pics of this strange beast .I have a feeling it may have more than the normal three main bearings .HMmmm