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Technical ***December 2022 Banger Meet Thread - Sit Santa - Long list ***

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Jiminy, Dec 1, 2022.

  1. stubbsrodandcustom
    Joined: Dec 28, 2010
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    stubbsrodandcustom
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    from Spring tx

    Stuck valve could be part of the cause also...

    Id drop the pan and reverse soak it also when you get a chance. The wrist pins on my forgotten banger were froze solid on 2 rods the other two were free and clear...

    Congrats on the score!!!
     
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  2. alchemy
    Joined: Sep 27, 2002
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    I got the flywheel lightening and pressure plate drilling completed. It now weighs 41 pounds. The mass was removed from the inside of the outer ring, and the outside of the outer ring. None from the backside of the clutch face.

    Next week it will go off to the local machine shop for surfacing and balancing. I've never had a flywheel balanced before, so what tolerance should I ask for? Within __ grams/ounces?
     
  3. good on you, this lighter flywheel will make a ton of difference in driving
    I would suggest searching up the ISO standards for balancing rotating assembly

    obviously the tighter you hold the imbalance the less adverse effects
    But at the operating speeds these motors run at there are diminishing returns

    I recall talking to one of the balancing machines manufacturer owners and his comment was that most shops try to balance too precisely which in his words was pure entertainment

    Read the standards and make up your opinion

    John
     
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  4. Kevin Pharis
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    Kevin Pharis

    ^^^^^^^
    Tell the shop what RPM range you hope to operate in (I would exaggerate a bit), and let them do the homework. If you are not having the entire rotating assembly balanced, balancing the flywheel will help but will not guarantee a smooth running engine
     
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  5. alchemy
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    Yes just balancing the flywheel, nothing inside. I have access to a supposedly running engine, so all the mods on this one will be external. Maybe a rebuild and cam at a later date.
     
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  6. trikejunkie
    Joined: Dec 2, 2011
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    from Scotland

    Looking for a bit of 4 banger help here please. I have a "B" engine that has 1/4" ish holes on the block face -I assume they go into the water jacket to help bleed air out ,but my Thomas high comp head does not have them ( possibly its for an "A" engine , should I drill them into the water jacket in the head or just leave them ?
     
  7. Kevin Pharis
    Joined: Aug 22, 2020
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    Kevin Pharis

    Many B blocks have those 2 small holes plugged. This is to allow any high compression A head
     
  8. I’ve run a Thomas on a B block without blocking the steam holes. But I normally plug them.
     
  9. 29 Speedster
    Joined: Aug 2, 2011
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    29 Speedster
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    from Colorado

    The two hole between #2 & #3 were “locating” usually during the manufacturing process. They are normally plugged, as the have no purpose in a running engine. I have a Thomas Head on a “B” Block, and those holes are plugged.
     
  10. trikejunkie
    Joined: Dec 2, 2011
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    trikejunkie
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    from Scotland

    THANK YOU , 29 Speedster, hotrodfil and Kevin Pharis ,that`s what I like about the HAMB -there is always someone that knows.
     
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  11. Think I tapped them M8 and JB Welded some no grade bolts in. Cut them off once it’s set and carefully flush them to the deck.
     
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  12. walls
    Joined: Oct 6, 2005
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    Pulled the pan, little more sludgy than I would have guessed from a rebuilt engine. But nothing too ugly.
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    everything else looks in order.
    Didn’t check the babbitt clearances because I don’t have an engine stand.
    I would guess to do correctly, the weight of the crank should be on the block, yes?
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    last question, any 9” V8 clutch and throw out bearing better than the other?
    Or where to purchase?
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    Thanks
     
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  13. 5280A2
    Joined: Sep 8, 2014
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    5280A2

    Many experts say you should support the crank from below if you are checking clearances with plastigage; probably a good method. Throwout bearings are pretty much all the same, but lots of 8N and 9N tractor pressure plates get sold as the correct piece for any Ford 9-inch clutch. However the don't have the counterweights that increase clamping force as rpm's increase and should not be used in our vehicles. I would suggest Van Pelt or 3rd Gen as good vendors on the east coast.
     
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  14. walls
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    Any clue if this is one of those aforementioned pressure plates that is “bad”?
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    Funny, I put one of these on a few years ago on a previous car and never gave it any thought.
     
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  15. Kevin Pharis
    Joined: Aug 22, 2020
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    Kevin Pharis

    Pondering exhaust options for the Akron-Hed today… went from cone header to thinkin the original cast header might be the way to go:cool:

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  16. 5280A2
    Joined: Sep 8, 2014
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    5280A2

    Yes, that's the tractor clutch. Hesitate to call it bad, but may be more prone to slippage under duress. Couldn't find a better picture, but look at the one below, you can see one of the counterweights on that PP.
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  17. 4bangerbob
    Joined: Jun 29, 2013
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    from AB, Canada

    I came across an interesting posting on face book (yes I know many people hate Facebook) that had some photos of a model B OHC conversion. It is for sale but price not stated. description from posting is as follows:

    Kevin Pampuch listed this in Model B Four Banger Buy/Sell/Discuss

    Open to Best Offer: McDowell Ford Model B overhead cam conversion engine. Dual Winfield carburetors and intake; cast aluminum water delivery tube; one piece valve cover; two spark plugs per cylinder; aluminum lifter gallery cover; mechanical gear driven Bosch magneto, water pump, oil pump and fuel pump; multi row chain drive assembly; 2 part cast aluminum oil pan. A few spare parts as shown. Missing 1 gear and 1 lower oil pan front cover that can be easily fabricated.

    Inspection by appointment only. Located in Wilmington, Delaware 19808

    • If you’re reading this add it’s still available.

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    https://www.facebook.com/marketplac...place_top_picks&referral_story_type=top_picks
     
  18. callcoy
    Joined: Aug 31, 2008
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    I believe what you have is what many call a "tractor clutch" while it does not have counter weights I personally believe it is a better unit then the stock original clutch. It does show some slippage, but that may be operator error or a worn disk, You can purchase both from all of the Model A retailers Mikes, Bert's and etc. I noticed a Alum. adaptor in the upper right hand of the clutch photo, what is that? You may have a very nice engine there' try to pickup an engine stand, it will make your life much easier!
    Steve
     
  19. callcoy
    Joined: Aug 31, 2008
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    McDowell OHC engine post

    Is there anyone out there that knows about McDowell rocker arm heads. I have one but I don't know much about them. Any information about the head and leads to someone that knows about them would be appreciated!
    Thank You
    Steve
     
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  20. fur biscuit
    Joined: Jul 22, 2005
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    Not much here beyond work, waiting, and children. Dema got my cam ground, should have that soon. Very excited. My friend who is kindly allowing the pile of ford parts to rest in his back 40, sent some pictures and dimensions, so I started a mock up drawing. One thing that I didn't fully appreciate about these Morton and Brett bodies, is how big they are. Frontenac seems to have basically bolted them straight onto the big Indy cars in 1918. Below is a side profile showing how tall the body is in comparison to a Whippet radiator and the stock T fire wall. The whole body from rad to tail is 129", the top of the cowl is about 26" (for reference, a tall T radiator is 18 3/8") and the top of the flair is 32". The valences over the frame are 8" deep or more...depending on rust. Happy holidays!
     

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  21. While creeping the internet, I found photos of this really cool head. No provisions for a water pump, and finned for air-cooled use only. Does anyone recognize it?
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  22. fur biscuit
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    That is the basic idea. 105" wb, about a 7" drop in the front and 6" in the rear. The steering wheel height is what I have used in the past. 6" side valence. Probably a bit off on a few dimensions here and there. Need to ponder the split front wish bones.
     

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  23. Outback
    Joined: Mar 4, 2005
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    Outback
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    from NE Vic

    IoE. Interesting! Has it been cut in half or 2 separate castings?
     
  24. Outback
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    Outback
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    Sorry if I missed it, what is the planned chassis & running gear? A cool body!
     
  25. Outback
    Joined: Mar 4, 2005
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    Outback
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    from NE Vic

    Has there been a thread that covers drop axle with mechanical brakes? If you can't find 32 perch bolts?
     
  26. walls
    Joined: Oct 6, 2005
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    walls
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    You would have to just make an extension for the model A perch.
    What ever amount of drop, you’d have to match that.
    If it were me, I’d probably bolt the extension on then weld them.

    FYI, you can get 32s from Bob Drake for $150.
    It’s expensive, but,they won’t be distorted/bad threads etc..
    Original ones seem to go for the same money, but at least these are quality and readily available
     
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  27. Outback
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    Outback
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    Thankyou, I assumed it would be straight forward, but you never know what hidden gems there may be.
     
  28. For whatever reason, I want to say this is a Flynn or Flinn head.
    J
     
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  29. walls
    Joined: Oct 6, 2005
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    I got an engine stand from Harbor freight.
    If I’d known the pain it was to bolt the engine up, I would have bought the adapter specifically for the banger.
    Oh well, at least I saved some money.
    Yeah, much easier to move around. And putting the pan back on.. much less likely to have a leak.

    question though
    There’s some welding/grinding on the oil baffle(guessing at what it’s called)
    Any thoughts on why that would have happened?
    Doesn’t seem likely that an oil pan would have rusted through to need repair.
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    the aluminum adapter is from clings. To a V8 trans.
     
  30. walls
    Joined: Oct 6, 2005
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    walls
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    Oh, and wanted to post a pic of the Winfield I recently acquired.
    It’s missing linkage and shaft for the throttle. If anyone has a lead, hit me up.
    Thanks
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