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  1. Lebowski
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    The 223 straight 6 in my Edsel has a canister type oil filter and I'm trying to change it to the spin-on type so I need to remove the bolt in the side of the block in the first pic so I can install the bolt in the second pic. I didn't have a 1 1/4" socket so I bought one of those high quality Chinese ones at Advance today but it won't attach securely around it and I'm afraid I'm going to strip it. I know it's the right size but my question is will a 6 point socket work better than the 12 point one I'm using now? If so where can I get one? The bolt is a little recessed so a box wrench won't work. Any other suggestions? Thanks in advance.... :)

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  3. flatford39
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    Craftsman will have one. Looks like the edges have been a little rounded on that one. I would think you would be better off with a 6 point here.
     
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  4. squirrel
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    get a quality 6 point socket, and grind off the end of it so there is no chamfer, so it will cover all of the hex.

    Or just leave the canister filter, it's messy but it works well.
     
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  5. Petejoe
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    Heat the threaded areas. Use a small diameter candle and rub the wax into the threads. The heat will draw the wax into the area you cant normally get to with oil.
     
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  6. Dan Timberlake
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    X2 Squirrel - Several of my sockets have had the end chamfer eliminated. I like to start with 6 point whenever possible. Holding the socket HARD against the block will keep the socket from riding up and rounding things off more. I'd strongly consider rigging up a thru bolt to hold the socket against the block and engaging the hex fitting. Starting with a de-chamfered open end wrench would make using a thru bolt easy. I'd consider welding a handle to the socket, in order to leave the square drive open for a thru bolt.

    Using a socket on an extension by hand encourages "tipping" the socket which will then slip on a thin hex.
    https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/torque-wrench-socket-extension-use-14515507.jpg
     
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  7. i never use a 12 point socket on anything important
     
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  8. Lebowski
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    I should have known that a former Edsel owner would be able to give me the tip that I needed. I ground about 1/8" off the end of the 12 point socket and could tell that it was a much tighter fit so I got out my homemade breaker bar (a 2 foot piece of toprail from a chain link fence) and I'll be damned if it didn't break it loose. The orange Fram filter matches the orange valve cover and air cleaner nicely so that's cool. Thanks to all who responded...
     
  9. Don't use a fram oil filter.
    Search it here - Google it
     
  10. gimpyshotrods
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    I use them, every single time, without exception, on my 12-point fasteners!
     
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  11. gimpyshotrods
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    Just say no to orange. If the color means that much to you, get some paint. A rattle can is cheaper than a new engine.
     
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  12. williebill
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    Fram gets about the same amount of respect around here as shit from the Hoffman group. Too many really bad Fram stories....... use a different filter
     
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  13. air chisel!
     
  14. Atwater Mike
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    OR... Just to achieve 'peace of mind'...do what our local counterman at O'Reilly's did.
    Matthew drives a hot-rodded bicycle to work, with a Tractor Supply 12 H.P. air cooled engine, OHV.
    He took one of each oil filter, cut them with a circular tubing cutter, just below the mounting 'flanges'.
    We could see why everybody hates Fram. Paper and...nothing but an inferior spring below an insufficient flap valve. STP was the only other one NEARLY that inferior.
    Matthew's bike is an old Schwinn, heavy spokes. It is exceptionally over powered. We love it.
    When Matthew talks, people listen. The smart ones, anyway...:rolleyes:
     
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  15. I'm not poking fun at you but isn't the term High Quality & Chinese Socket a oxymoron? HRP
     
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  16. squirrel
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    uh....guys....we're talking about a six, in an Edsel....

    :)
     
  17. Petejoe
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    At one time yes.
    Now it depends. Spent 20 yrs in quality control during the Chinese influx.
    First ten years was just awful. They would lie to your face telling you everything you'd expect knowing we were dependent on the next ship to arrive and bad product was better than no product.
    Then American companies got involved over there. After that the quality improved to just as good as American.
    That's when I began to see American companies go down the drain.
    Very very few tooling companies left in the US. Sad. We couldn't compete.
     
  18. Lebowski
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    I was being sarcastic. So what kind of oil filter do you guys recommend-Purolator?
     
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  19. GTS225
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    Wix. I think that the NAPA Gold series is also made by Wix, along with the Oreilly label filters.

    Roger
     
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  20. flatford39
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    I use NAPA gold in my daily's. They are black if it matters to you.
     
  21. Champscotty58
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    I like running Wix filters.
     
  22. Wix or Hastings.
     
  23. squirrel
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    ABF filters

    (anything but fram)
     
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  24. DOCTOR SATAN
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    The paraffin wax trick works....
     
  25. BamaMav
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    WIX filters!
     
  26. Glad you got it loose. For future problems you can center punch on the rounded corners to return some shape to the head, but 6 point socket is a must.
     
  27. Gman0046
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    I'd use any filter other then Fram.
     
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  28. Six point sockets on six point fasteners and Baldwin filters


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