Technical Whats up with these new American Classic Tires! Issue...

Hey I had 2 of those American Classic bias look blackwall radials show up today, went to get them mounted and the shop told me because the sidewalls were pinched and the beads are jammed up against each other they couldn't get them to seat on their beads. Sure nuff, when I picked them up the tires are pinched closed. The factory had wrapped them with this plastic tape and completely closed them up. I guess a few heat cycles and cold storage and they are locked in this state. Anyone have to deal with this and how did you get them to relax? Ive got them warming up in my office. I tried 2 ratchet straps around the circumference and it didn't open them up much. The shop suggested tubes...in a tubeless tire. Not the solution I want. Thoughts?

 

Put tubes in and inflate them off the wheel, leave them for a while somewhere warm, see if that helps.

 

I used 4" Styrofoam blocks between the beads. Wood blocks should do the same thing. Let them sit for a couple days since I had plenty of time. Mine were going on 5" wide wheels and they weren't real difficult to get aired up. I did use ratchet straps.

 

Any real tire shop should have been able to do it... How wide is your wheel? After 6" it becomes a chore but a tiedown and blast tank should get the job done...

Someone that does ag or truck tires would be the place to go

 

^^^^ agree. All good ideas. I always run tubes on old cars, due to old leaky rims.

 

I had the same problem, didn't think of it but next time I'm doin what Chriseakin suggested, an old inner tube, some air and some sun. Thanks.

 

I vote for blocks of wood and let them sit in the sun for an afternoon. Thirtytwo's idea of a strap is a no-no on radial tires.

 

What the hell kind of tire shop did you go to !?!?

 

mine were shipped the same way, dropped them off to my tire shop, 1/2 hr later they called and said they were ready. obviously they had no problems doing them.

 

What size tire and what is the rim width ? An experienced tire shop will get them mounted. There's a tool called a Cheetah that gives an extra blast of air to expand the beads to get the tire to seat. The shop can also use what looks like a rubber donut that seals the gap between the tire bead and the rim to seal the bead long enough to get it to inflate. Once the tire begins to air up the donut pops off and your good. If the shop has one of these it will get the job done.
http://www.myerstiresupply.com/shop/shopexd.asp?id=549
http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/Bead_Seat.html

 

You need to find a new tire shop.

 

I agree with those saying go to a different tire shop from now on.
Any time I've ever had a shop tell me something could not be done I just looked around for another shop and explain what I need and somehow there is always at least one that says "no problem" and they magically do what the other said could not be done.

 

My question exactly. Has anyone ever seen how roundy round tires are shipped? They tie 'em in a knot.

They actually make a special tool that tire shops use its like a cross between a tie down and a bicycle tube, you wrap it around the rite lengthwise to the tread and shoot the air to it, it smooshes the center of the tire down and that in turn pushes the beads out.

 

"The factory had wrapped them with this plastic tape and completely closed them up."
Remember when gas stations used to sell tires back in the 50's and 60's?
Those tires were always wrapped tight like that.

 

Boy, things sure have changed since I was a kin in a "SERVICE STATION". Can't mount a tire would have gotten me Fired.
The Wizzard

 

Wizzard we don't live in the same world that we grew up in, today incompetence is the name of the game.

 

Quote= "Wizzard we don't live in the same world that we grew up in,"
P-n-B That is true on so many different levels and so Sad.
The Wizzard

 

Never heard that one, why?

Then there's this:

 

I totally agree,this sounds like they have never mounted a tire that wasn't a wide radial,find another shop. HRP

 

ETHER - BOOM!!!!

 

Actually I taught my granddaughter the ether trick when she was still in high school. We had a tire that we didn't have enough compressor to bead up, so I took a can of starting fluid and showed her how to do it. Then I broke the tire back down and let her do it.

Ya know ether or other flammables are not an exact science, it was a lot more giggly when she did it.

 

On occasion I have made a makeshift seating ring out of thin sheet plastic, about 6" high and long enough to wrap tightly around the top of the rim. Wrap around the rim, overlap and duct tape the end, push down onto tire sidewall and inflate.

 

I have also used a tube in them to seat the beads and then break down one side and pull the tube out on the trusty old Coats 10-10 at the Texaco station I worked at. PITA, but it works. Dennis D

 

When we had tires like that all we did is pack the bead with mounting grease and inflate the tire once it was seated on the rim we just wiped off the grease and put it back in the bucket for the next time.

 

That's the way all tires were in the past, 60/70 years ago. Find a tire shop who knows what they are doing.

 

The rims are new Rocket Racing Injectors, 15x4 as cast with the magnesium look powder coating. They are sic wheels. I made a point of telling the shop to please not scratch these beauties. It was Les Schwab...with a full commercial vehicle area. I used them as all the other shops in town do not have the lug centric wheel adapters to balance. But I never made it to the balance part of the deal! Yes I had a CDL and have seen the giant bucket of grease used to seat a blown diesel tire/wheel on the side of a road. I've got the tires here in my office all nice and warm. I'll block em open and let them sit over the weekend. We're a fab shop but don't have tire mounting hardware. Once mounted I'll post pics. I got the 29.75" tall 8.20 15's.

 

Yeah the grease works well, I should get a tub.

I find it surprising that in this day and age they can't make the center hole of a rim concentric, necessitating lug centric balancing.

 

We're a dealer for a few of the common wheel brands....ballpark it seems many of the cast wheels require lug centric balancing and the billets do not. Many of the balance issues reported on the net are customers not being informed that they need to balance their new wheels lug centric. The tires get blamed every time. Gotta read that fine print....

 

how did the tire shop give them back to you? with the tires mounted but not inflated/seated? or did they not even try? or tried and took them back off?........can't?......or won't?.......either way incompetent fools.

 

Mounted but not seated. They tried the ratchet strap. They said they had tools to pop the beads outward but it would most like scratch the wheels.