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Let's Talk Cyclecars

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Bigcheese327, Dec 4, 2007.

  1. motoklas
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    Hello Fred,
    I do not think that you were wrong at all:
    FRAMO-WERKE was a company (G.m.b.H. - founded by great Danish engineer Jørgen Skafte Rasmussen, the founder of DKW, in 1923.), but STORMER (probably connected to streamliner, as Ned wrote) and PICCOLO (mostly four-wheeler, with engine at rear or later at front) - was two of many models made by that company...
    But, probably not very important for us today?
    Ciao, Zoran
     

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  2. motoklas
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    Hello there,

    As I said, "Small Coupes are the Law" - as this cute red JAWA! Nothing strange, a lot of small sport cars from Central Europe was similar technically (often with independent front suspension, air-cooled engines, mostly two-stroke, back-bone chassis...), but esthetically too: small coupes, or aerodynamic speedsters... Probably, because of low power, cheap build, bad and twisting mountain roads – and good drivers with desire for speed at low cost...

    The first bunch of photos: JAWA (coupes and specials)...

    Ciao, Zoran
    P.S.: Sorry, but neither of models are close to cyclecars, most belonged to "baby cars" and some for middle-class of European automoibles from between World Wars...
     

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  3. motoklas
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    ... and, now: SKODA and STAYER!
    Zoran
     

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  4. motoklas
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    ... a little more: CZ made AERO (coupes and one not-so-cute spider special)!
    Zoran
     

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  5. motoklas
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    ... now, DKW - but CZ made!
    ... and, DKW three-wheeler, maybe made during WW2.
    Zoran
     

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  6. banjeaux bob
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    ....and more Moto Kar from M.H. .... 10653453_747388768630772_6920678904788671940_n.jpg
     
  7. http://cartype.com/pages/114/aero

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    The Aero was a Czech automobile, manufactured between 1929 and 1947 by a well-known aircraft and car-body factory owned by one Dr. Vladimir Kabes.

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    Aero logo.

    The original model, the Aero Type 500, had a 499 cc single-cylinder two-stroke engine with water cooling.

    The next model, the Type 20, was a 660 cc vertical twin, which was followed by the Type 30, a 998 cc twin-cylinder version. The 1934 Aero was a front wheel drive car with a similar engine and a four-seater body.

    The last model, the Type 50, also front-wheel-drive, had a 1997 cc four-cylinder 50 PS (37 kW two-stroke engine. Many famous drivers won many events in Aero cars.

    After the war the company made the Type 30 until 1947.
     
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    Acceptable? I could start a "Not cyclecars" thread.
     
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  9. banjeaux bob
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    Sure,why not? I think the thread kinda is for small quirky cars.3 &4 wheeled.After the war things changed and those folks making small cars made them a little larger and more comfortable.Eventually ,we would run out of "legal" cyclecars to talk about.I think most of us are just looking for ideas and exposure until we get the thought that goes like this ... "you know,I CAN do THAT" . Besides all these little footnotes of history are great!
     
  10. banjeaux bob
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    More Moto Kar from 1939 10441472_747388528630796_5691048009520782254_n.jpg ...
     
  11. banjeaux bob
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    Sizaire & Naudin from 1910 10672385_1491810134415100_3680635768419257743_n.jpg
     
  12. motoklas
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    Hello,
    Small and cute AERO 500 was my beloved micro-veteran auto, from my early youth (middle of sixties). Then I saw it on Belgrade’s Fair, at some kind of show and race for veterans. It was bright yellow and driven furiously by his owner and his friend. They over-turned it in front of me and were thrown-away on asphalt (no injuries)... After that, we consider it as true small sports-auto! It was the main actor in one theater show! Later it is painted blue and now has its place in Belgrade Automobile Museum. It is established by the same guy that had mentioned accident - my friend Braca Petkovic. It was the first in his collection. Braca now has a few dozens of old-timers in Museum and double number of that in hangar near Belgrade, waiting on reconstruction.

    Some years ago, I saw that car in Museum – and, it is really cute, but really small (for me).

    Ciao, Zoran
     

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    10427323_10153224934042067_7427758354043353034_n (1).jpg We shared this car before the auction. With commission it went for $110,000 U.S. ...and headed back to England. 1391923_10153224933667067_4347450686053735277_n (1).jpg 1390749_10153224934212067_1274471466237304075_n.jpg 10509707_10153224934427067_8537507377705158791_n (1).jpg 10427323_10153224934042067_7427758354043353034_n (1).jpg 1173726_10153224934282067_3529147369736926892_n (1).jpg
     

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  14. motoklas
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    Hello there,

    Anybody know anything about this strange chassis?
    It seems to me as combination of a few vehicles: central-tube chassis with independent rear suspension - from something as front-engine, rear-wheel drive DKW and similar autos, front suspension in a style of GN, engine older than chassis and wheels (big V-twin a'la motorcycle or cycle-car), wheels "modern" metal-disk type...

    Ciao, Zoran
     

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  15. banjeaux bob
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    Messerschmitt from the Black Coffee Club 1016561_728821513859382_1212340928974464406_n.jpg 1902990_728821517192715_4962740996221878633_n.jpg 1912266_728821510526049_9076290349470535126_n.jpg
     
  16. banjeaux bob
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    Marotti 3 wheeled concept car 10734167_747715781931404_7304132017851100751_n.jpg
     
  17. banjeaux bob
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    The following photos are from Photo RetroMobile (PRM).They were taken at the 1525103_352147604948068_5560614018486036519_n.jpg Circuit Des Ramparts at Anglouleme in 2014.
     
  18. banjeaux bob
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    The fabulous GN "PARKER". PRM pics... 1275563_352515371577958_4941306180774874554_o.jpg 10629699_353151311514364_4649739051062221249_n.jpg 10672334_354578978038264_3265343275643985952_n.jpg
     
  19. banjeaux bob
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    1924333_323614487801380_2217123492873580418_n.jpg "DEEMSTER" PRM pic...
     
  20. banjeaux bob
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    More Angouleme Circuit Des Ramparts 2014 from PRM


    10629324_352651401564355_947697783064440606_o.jpg 10571948_359531537543008_3977166967502664851_o (1).jpg 1920467_352492388246923_126162685053601666_n.jpg
     
  21. Ned Ludd
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    The chassis itself suggests Tatra T11 or one of its subsequent derivatives (up to T57), though those had flat-twin engines. Perhaps a Tatra-based special? The clue would be whether it has a Ledwinka-style twin-ring-gear differential or conventional U-joints/CV joints on the final drive.

    T11 chassis:
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    You mentioned Steyr recently. I've long thought that these Tatras and the Steyr T55 represent what the VW Beetle ought to have been.
     
  22. UKAde
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    I did a lot of the work on the yellow and black deemster with Jo rose from JR vintage , started life as a STD deemster we lengthened the chassis and lots of other stuff , then built the body from a drawing we did from four or five period pictures of the car
     
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  24. banjeaux bob
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    Electric AFP built by Pierre Faure in 1941.About 20 were built. Images by R.A.,C.M.,and J-p C .... 10553567_10205293895093240_1252001865788293435_n.jpg
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  25. motoklas
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    Ned,

    Off course, it must be some Tatra based special, or DIY - some type of the front-engined, rear wheel drive Tatra autos. Even the wheels look similar! In thirties, many central European, especially German manufactures were experimenting with similar solutions, combined with aerodynamic bodies, that led to VW-beetle... But, more about that later! (who was stealing from whom)
    Attached are some phtos with interesting chassis, including one "modern" Tatra special...

    Ciao, Zoran
     

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  26. SR100
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    After looking around the 'net, I think it is a NAMI-1. That wasn't a familiar make, so I looked it up in the Beaulieu Encyclopedia of the Automobile. The NAMI-1 was built between 1927 & 1931 by the Spartak Works of Moscow. It was a RHD 1.16l v-twin with a backbone chassis. Production estimates run as high as 400. The rear axle had no differential, apparently to aid traction on Russia's poor roads, but this led to handling complaints. I could not find a period photo of the chassis, so I don't know if the engine is original. I did see this photo of a surviving NAMI-1 front end on German Wikipedia. Sorry about the quality. NAMI-1_engine.jpg .
     
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    1525241_708972095848104_4747427682039808805_n.jpg Nash at VSCC 2014 cuborough meet. GCL pic...
     
  29. banjeaux bob
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    Messerschmitts... 1924869_884118221600316_3372259462531219915_n.jpg
     
  30. Ned Ludd
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    You seem to be perfectly correct. NAMI-1:
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