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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by kurtis, Jul 18, 2009.

  1. saacha
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    Don Capps, have sent my friend an email requesting he show the evidence.
     
  2. ZigZagZ
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    I found an interesting piece while surfing the web the other night. It is a Ferrari letter from 1935. I had seen letters from the early 1950's before, but this is the earliest such letter I've seen.

    1935 Ferarri.jpg
     
  3. carl s
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    2014 Millers at Milwaukee Mile Photos/Reports
    Will try and add all photos and reports as they become available
    Starting with John Gunnell's
    http://www.racingjunk.com/news/2014/...ilwaukee-mile/
    Harry A. Miller Club
    http://www.harrymillerclub.com/
    Harry A. Miller Club - Facebook
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Harry...76260459077055
    Jeff Shabowski
    http://mhtjef.smugmug.com/MotorSport...3758&k=QWfp6dL
    Steve Zautke at 'Racing Nation'
    http://racingnation.com/50-vintage-i...ndy-car-crowd/
    Plan B Pit Crew - photos
    https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...6681712&type=1
    My personal album - will be adding to it over the next month.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/919813...7645777004472/
    Mick Danger's Millers Milw. 2014
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/mick_d...7645258162248/
    Lee Stohr Photos at David Greenlees' The Old Motor:
    http://theoldmotor.com/?p=123788
    More fun than a barrel of monkeys:
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  4. gnichols
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    Anyone... I've seen photos like this before and wondered if these "pits" could be the origin of the term pits? Anyone know the track? If a lot of tracks had pits like these on the outside of the track? I sure hope they could be covered up during the race! Gary

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  5. Bluto
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    I think I could watch several more Delage laps and listen to even more
     
  6. carl s
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    Gary,
    See Howard Kroplick's Vanderbilt web site:
    http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/races/year/1908_vanderbilt_cup_race
    Howard brought the 1908 Alco to the SVRA Brickyard Vintage in June.


     
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  9. carl s
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    Any info on West Coast racing for Murray Earl would be appreciated.

    "Hi Carl,
    I took a little time and read over the thread you sent me a link to. Thanks again for doing that. It sounds to me as though you and, maybe Michael Ferner are people with the interest and maybe even the access to some records that I’m needing for my current research. I’ve been researching Murray Earl who raced in the Midwest from the late ‘20s up through the ‘30s. He moved to California in 1941 and raced there until his death in 1954. What information that I have is from his racing in the Midwest but I don’t have access to any west coast records that I know of. I’m interested in learning about Murray’s participation out there as both a driver and then as a car owner. Do you know anything about Murray Earl’s participation in any race coast races? You can find what I currently know about Murray Earl at the following three links but there is almost nothing there about his west coast racing:

    http://kansasracinghistory.com/Murray.html

    http://kansasracinghistory.com/Murray-Earl_results.htm

    http://kansasracinghistory.com/McCord/Dreyer.htm

    Bob Lawrence"
     
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  11. kurtis
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    10347475_867284469955842_7764462844359797465_n.jpg It has come to my attention that another well known pre war racing car has faded into the annals of history. Unfortunately, the ONO is no more after it passed into the hands of Bill Evans who subsequently rebuilt the famous car into a 1910 Fiat S61.

    Collecting the Briggs Cunningham Trophy at the 2014 Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance.

    Thoughts??
     
  12. fur biscuit
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    That is not the ONO), but the sister car that came out of the Indianapolis museum (it is wearing the wheels off the ONO). Think the ONO still survives, but the clock is ticking down as the price tag on a S74 goes higher and higher. Heard that the S61 engine castings made for the car have a few issues.

     
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  13. Bluto
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    With ALL race cars the issue is original for what race

    So in the case of ONO the Pope engine was installed later into the Fiat.
     
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    To confirm with Fur Biscut, the ONO is still around. I sat in it last week.

    -Billy
     
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    Off to Lime Rock in a few minutes with my new camera. Bob
     
  17. blitzen142
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    As this photo shows the Ono still has its wheels. Not sure where these definitive yet wrong assertions are coming from? The Ono is alive and well. ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1409455971.026761.jpg


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  18. fur biscuit
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    Good Morning Mr. Blitzen142,

    Have thought a bit of my response, some snarky, others complimentary, but I kindly do ask: do not treat us as Charlatans for we are not worthy, nor, treat us as simpletons for we are not.

    We are not stewards of great History, fate was not so kind. We are passionate and careful observers of what has come to pass, and what will be. Being in the know is impossible, as the future solely remains locked behind doors that we will never be allowed to open.

    Your presence and your fathers as been very well received, we do not ask, nor should you ever be required to defend yourself publicly.

    An image is worth a thousand words.

    Thank you,

    Doug

     
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  19. kurtis
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    Sad news. Thoughts are with the family and friends.
    RIP.
     
  20. kurtis
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    Thanks for clearing that up.
     
  21. Grahamsc
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    I will start by saying that I am no expert on pre ww2 racecars or racing, so if you that are happen to reconize anything incorrect , please feel free to say so.
    I happened upon this car at a museum here in Colorado and thought I should post it in this thread due to it's early racing history. image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg
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    The entries on the racing records plaque are not all for this particular car ( it was not the second place car at the 1911 indy 500 ) but the old time photo at spokane wash is it, and it did race at Brighton beach among others.

    According to the historian , the fenders lights and so-forth were designed to be removed or reinstalled within one hour so the car could be driven to the track , stripped , raced , and reassembled and driven home.

    The big racing controversy that the Lozier encountered was at the first Indy 500.
    Due to a wreck on the 13th lap that sent several scoring personel running from their positions , the race was disputed by the second place finisher Ralph Mulford driving a Lozier , very much like this one as well as several scoring officials.
    One scoring official claimed that mulford had completed the 200 laps and was in the short chute between 1 and 2 when haroun crossed the line with 199.
    That would have made mulford 3/4 of a lap ahead of haroun.
    Anyway i looked it up on the good old google and sure enough such a controvesy existed.
    Prior to 2 days ago I had never had heard of a Lozier or any of the rest.
     
  22. noboD
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    Is that the Forney museum?
     
  23. carl s
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    Thanks to all for hauling this thread out of the garage. In breadth and scope I'm not sure it has any equals.
     
  24. Grahamsc
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    No its the dougherty museum , just south of longmont on 287.
    Unfortunatly I think today was their last day of regular hours for the summer.
     
  25. noboD
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    I visit there at least once a year, I will look for it. Been to the Forney a few times. Thanks.
     
  26. Grahamsc
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    That is not a racing car; "Briarcliff" was a term used for the type of car that ran the 1908 road race in Briarcliff/NY, but that was a 4-cylinder Lozier. In contrast to what is written there, Lozier built a lot, and a lot of different racing cars. And there was no controversy at the first Indy 500, it's all hogwash. This whole story was invented by Mulford and a journalist some fifty years after the event.

    There was, however, a 6-cylinder Lozier racing in the Pacific Northwest, even at the Spokane Interstate FG, although I have it last appearing in 1915. It was apparently owned by one Ray Paulsen (or Paulson), and driven by himself or one of the Latta brothers (I think Charles, but maybe Clyde or both). It even started in the El Paso-to-Phoenix road race in 1914, but retired.
     
  28. Grahamsc
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    Like I said I'm no expert but, the online artical plus the historian at the museum both quoted the automobile quarterly magazine as their source.
    That seems like a fairly prestigious magazine to be printing hogwash.
    My dad has at least a hundred copys of the automobile quarterly and he is no slouch when it comes to old car info and he considers them as good as the Bible.
     
  29. Grahamsc
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    The Loziers were an all ball bearing crank and the old motor claims they were a one piece crank.
    Sure would like to see how that center bearing went on.
     
  30. Grahamsc
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    Thanks for info on Lozier gentlmen, I'm sure it takes some digging to find info on a fairly obscure auto.

    Notice how the Lozier in the pick with Mulford and his wife still has the headlights and factory seats.
    Makes me believe that the historian at the museum was right and that bone stock cars were raced with their fenders pulled off.
     
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