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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Inline, Aug 23, 2016.

  1. Inline
    Joined: May 13, 2005
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    from Ohio

    So, I got this in a trade recently. I have no idea what it is. Maybe a supercharger? Maybe a natural gas conversion? There are no markings and it appears to be very well made. It has a large Rochester 2 barrel base so it can't be any earlier that the 60's. Someone definitely spent some time working on this thing.

    When you spin the pulley, you can see something spinning through the base plate. There doesn't appear to be much of a reduction or increase in gearing. I haven't taken it apart yet but will.

    So, the story that I was told was that the guy I got it from bought it at an auction of a retired GM engineer. The guy's son apparently explained that this was a project that his dad worked while at GM and was able to take it with him when he left. He also said it was displayed on the mantle for as long as he could remember. There was supposedly a display stand but at the time of the auction, they couldn't find it. I don't know if any of this is true or not. Also, the guy I got it from couldn't remember the guys's name so I really have nothing to go on.

    So what does everyone think?
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  2. F&J
    Joined: Apr 5, 2007
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    bolt that dang thing on and see wut happens ..LOL

    100 mpg doo dad, so be careful posting the results. As "big oil" will hunt you down :)
     
  3. squirrel
    Joined: Sep 23, 2004
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    it's an old supercharger, adapted to fit a V8 GM engine from the 50s, most likely.

    sort of similar to the Frenzel, more similar to that used on the Graham. but I don't think it's either of them. keep looking...but I doubt you'll find anything like it, it appears to be hand made.
     
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  4. Mike51Merc
    Joined: Dec 5, 2008
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    So, what happens when you turn the pulley? Do vanes spin? Suck & blow?

    My impression is that the housing is too small to handle enough volume to supercharge any automobile engine with a reasonable displacement. Maybe just a fuel atomizer spinning around?.
     
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  5. gnichols
    Joined: Mar 6, 2008
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    Might it be for a flathead, IVO the long shaft and V-belt pulley? Wonder what the carb flange fits? Gary
     
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  6. squirrel
    Joined: Sep 23, 2004
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    The carb flange is the 2bbl Rochester, it's actually the throttle body from a carb. I think the gizmo replaces the carb, on something like a Chevy 265. Really neat, I'd have to take it apart and investigate....
     
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  7. Inline
    Joined: May 13, 2005
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    I thought it might be some sort of fuel atomizer as well. Once I get some time, I'll pull it apart and take a bunch of pictures.

    The length of it would lend itself to bolt onto a SBC 2 barrel intake. It even has a tapered wedge between the carb base and housing to account for the angle of the carb.

    The linkage between where the fuel line port and the barrel for the air cleaner almost appear to be vacuum controlled. There are no signs of linkage between that and the throttle plates.
     
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  8. patmanta
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    1. MASSACHUSETTS HAMB

    It's COOL whatever it is. I'm in the BOLT IT ON AND SEE camp!
     
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  9. Phil1934
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    I'm going with some kind of fuel injection as no float for carb body, a lever that links carb back to gizmo and a fuel line to gizmo
     
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  10. Dave Downs
    Joined: Oct 25, 2005
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    The part that looks like a carb sort of looks like a Fish carburetor (yes, they were real!), have no idea what the impeller/rotor does - maybe stirs up the mixture.
     
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  11. F&J
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    It has a grease fitting...maybe grease that and hold the pulley against a wire wheel on a bench grinder, to spin it and see what happens?

    I was looking at that linkage. Both "sliding"ends are very adjustable...like they were really guessing with the ratio between that double ended link. One end is going to the top of the right angle gearbox...so, does that mean the gear shaft speed controls that twin link going to the venturi?... and if it does, the other end of linkage on the top of the right angle box, has that fuel elbow thing...is that the flow of "fuel" being regulated by the gearbox speed?

    keep us informed, please :)
    .
     
  12. linechaser32
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    Pulse generator.
     
  13. Hnstray
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    Turbo-Encapsulator!!.....:D

    Seriously, I agree with the suggestions that it is a fuel atomizer, replacing the conventional carburetor for that function.

    Ray
     
  14. blowby
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    Whatever it is, chrome it.
     
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  15. jhexide
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    possible a unit to burn natual gas or propane
     
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  16. Looks like it might be a compound compressor/supercharger, or a super duper shit masher. Lots of crazy stuff showed up in the early 70s "gas crunch"
     
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  17. Cosmo49
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    "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour... you're gonna see some serious shit."
     
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  18. Marty Strode
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    If you call it an "Advanced Induction System" and make claims of remarkable fuel mileage, maybe the Arab Oil Producers will pay you a small fortune to keep it off the market.
     
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  19. 56sedandelivery
    Joined: Nov 21, 2006
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    A bunch of stuff was supposed to be left behind after the lunar landing, but someone obviously did't follow protocol!
    I'm going with some sort of atomizer, and not the kind at the fragrance counter.
    I am Butch/56sedandelivery.
     
  20. I think it looks like an engineers attempt at better mileage on a small ci motor. Experimenting back when we were an industrial nation.
    Even more awesome is that there are guys like yourself that see this and save it from the scrap pile. Most folks see it as junk when it really is probably many years worth of some guys stress and sleepless nights deep in thought about it.
     
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  21. patmanta
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    Have we considered maybe a Wood Gasifier application?

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  22. treb11
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    Some kind of pressurized fuel atomizer. I bet all those spots on the bottom of the lower housing are where vanes are located. The control rods probably connected to levers on a dyno stand.
    Or a chingadera if you're from Texas


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  23. badshifter
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    Stationary / industrial Engine governor or regulator?
     
  24. mikeymike
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    Patmanta is absolutely right; it was common during WW II using wood as fuel, at least in Europe.


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  25. lippy
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    Looks like an earshplitten loudenboomer.
     
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  26. cj92345
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    ok, I'am guessing industrial, some kind of RPM limit, governor for maybe an automotive engine on a big pump...regulate engine speed with how fast the pulley is turning....or maybe not
     
  27. Inline
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    So I finally found time to disassemble this thing. What do you guys think of these pictures?


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  28. Bubba1955
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    Atomizer...No vanes to pressurize.
     
  29. Mike51Merc
    Joined: Dec 5, 2008
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    I knew it! An early version of a flux capacitor!

    I'd bet those prongs are magnetized.
     

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