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THE oldsmobile rocket 303 324 371 394 post to end all other posts, (lasalle related )

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  1. RocketDaemon
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    introduction:

    Allright there is alot of olds posts here and there with information back and forth, making it hard to find information

    so i figured i would try to make some sort of efford to gather all valid information and make some sort of faq post, that i will edit after things are sorted out and new things are added so everything is
    sorted into catagories

    I claim not to be an expert in anyway, i want to be though i crave more knowledge, and there for i wish to make it easier to overview and grasp all oldsmobile info there is...

    all links to companies are in the links posts so its easier to keep them updated incase something changes..

    I have set up an FOTKI account to host all pictures
    PLEASE EMAIL ALL
    PICTURES TO OLDSROCKET@FOTKI.COM
    THE BIGGER THE PICTURE IS THE BETTER, PLEASE DO NOT RESIZE
    PLEASE DO NOT POST PICTURES IN THIS THREAD IF POSSIBLE


    here is the photoalbum i will post everything i have gathered
    http://public.fotki.com/oldsrocket/

    Thanx to everyone who helps expand this post:

    Paul, heathen, Royalcrown32 etc



    PLEASE if i enter something that is wrong/false please correct me...
     
  2. RocketDaemon
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    year: cui: block#: head#:

    1949 - 303 cui
    1950 - 303 cui
    1951 - 303 cui
    1952 - 303 cui
    1953 - 303 cui
    1954 - 324 cui #7
    1955 - 324 cui #8
    1956 - 324 cui #10
    1957 - 371 cui
    1958 - 371 cui

    2009 - 371 cui - 1957 style in aluminium!,
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347142

    - the 394 years
    note that 371 from 1959+ is a small bore 394

    1959 - 371 cui
    1959 - 394 cui
    1960 - 371 cui
    1960 - 394 cui
    1961 - 394 cui
    1962 - 394 cui
    1963 - 394 cui
    1964 - 394 cui
     
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  3. RocketDaemon
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    edelbrock:
    1949-1957

    edmunds:
    1949-1956 303-324 - (do these clear 1957-1958 heads?)

    Hildebrandt:
    1949-1958 - 303,324,371

    mooneyes:
    no named for 1949-1958


    offenhauser: part no#
    1949-1956 for 303-324 - 3286 (to low to use on 371)
    1957-1958 for 371 - 3286-7 (should be possible to use on 303-324)
    1959-1964 for 371*-394 - 4059

    weiand:
    dual purpouse, also fit studebaker
    fits 303-324 (tall enough for 371?)

    * notes small bore 371, not same as 1957-1958


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    Nos edelbrock 394 valve covers

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    Edmunds

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    weiand
     
  4. RocketDaemon
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    Fuel injection
    Hilborn:
    made several for olds, atleast 3, 303, 371 and 394 to my knowledge
    these could ether be dist driven or camshaftdriven by using an timing cover..
    or driven by fan belt , belive there was an beltdrive part to put on the same
    pump that would go on an timing cover.


    Supercharger - blower intakes , crank pulley and all parts surrounding

    cragar:
    cragar made as far as i know 4:71 intakes + 6:71 intakes

    i belive 471 cragar intake came with and without water passage in front
    (as seen in pic below)

    i've seen on ebay quite often that cadilliac 471 intakes are misstaken
    as oldsintakes, so beware, but on the otherhand cadillac cragar intakes
    bring a little more money so in worst case you just can flip it and earn something from it incase you bought the wrong item...


    Weiand:

    1949-1956 - 303-324 - for 6:71
    1957-1958 - 371 - for 6:71
    1959-1964 - 371*-394 - for 6:71


    Supercharger - blower brackets
    Mcculloch supercharger bracket
    Mcculloch made an bracket to put the vs-57 supercharger (the one studebakers and kaisers used), on an stock or aftermarket intake, it will basicly mount
    on all intakes that has the generator holes on the driverside, but might not clear
    for instance 3x2 edelbrock intake, i have an such bracket and and a couple of ol-396 edelbrock intakes, but i do not have an supercharger but seems supercharger would interfeer with first carb, but will of course work on stock intakes,
    with either airbox or xxxxxx.....
    i got some old mcculloch parts manual that i will scan and add here asap.
    more info to follow
    also needed is a crank pulley...

    Carburator intakes

    edelbrock:

    1949-1956 - 303-324 - ol-396 - 3x2 for stromberg carbs
    1949-1956 - 303-324 - ol-396 - 3x2 for rochester carbs, same part number but seem to be a different casting, only seen one once on ebay on pic.. where you mount carbs look diffrent then the one u use stromberg carbs with
    1949-1956 - 303-324 - ol-496 - 4x2 for stromberg carbs
    1959-1964 - 371*-394 - o263 - 2x4
    1959-1964 - 371*-394 - O96 ML - 6x2 for stromberg carbs, note intake has no water provision, need "external"

    Edmunds:
    1949-1953 - 303 - 2x2 intake

    Horne:
    1949-1954 - 303 - 4x2 - stromberg intake

    offenhauser:

    digging into the earlier 180 degree intakes also...

    1949-1953 - 303 - 3200 - 2x4 - 360 degree ? no heat
    1954-1956 - 324 - 4060 - 3x2 - 360 degree ? for rochesters
    1954-1956 - 324 - 5257-TP - 3x2 - rochester
    1954-1956 - 324 - 5257 - 3x2 - large base rochester
    1957-1958 - 371 - 4061 - 3x2 - 360 degree ? for rochesters
    1957-1958 - 371 - 5258-TP - 3x2 - rochester
    1957-1958 - 371 - 5258 - 3x2 - large base rochester
    1959-1964 - 371*-394 - 5183 - 2x4 - 360 degree ?
    1959-1964 - 371*-394 - 5606 - 2x4 - quadrajet low rise
    1959-1964 - 371*-394 - 5753 - 2x4 - quadrajet high rise
    1959-1964 - 371*-394 - 5259-TP - 3x2 - rochester
    1959-1964 - 371*-394 - 5259 - 3x2 - large base rochester

    Gaskets:
    offenhauser:
    1949-1953 - 303 - 3312
    1954-1956 - 324 - 3313
    1957-1958 - 371 - 3931
    1959-1964 - 371*-394 - 5211



    * notes small bore 394 with 371 cui, not same as 1957-1958 block

    [​IMG]
    My supercharger setup for my 394 olds rocket engine

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    http://public.fotki.com/oldsrocket/supercharger-and-in/cragar-471-intake-a/
    more pictures (thanx royalcrown32)

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    edelbrock ol-396 3x2 intake

    [​IMG]
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    Edmunds 303 2x2 rochester style intake with edmunds aircleaners (thanx to hat man)

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    horne 303 intake

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    early 180 degree 303 intake?
     
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  5. RocketDaemon
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    Note on transmissions, i will ONLY include all lasalle transmission, the "buick" style selector 1951+ manual, hydramatics + 1953 dynaflow,
    there is adapters to use "1939" ford trannys aswell as t-10, t-5 style etc i see no need to have any indepth information regarding those transmissions except on how to mate them to the rocket...


    Manual transmissions

    1949: No manual transmission

    1950: the only year of the side shift lasalle tranny with short tailshaft + only bellhousing from olds that works with other lasalle trannys

    1951+ not same as 1950 olds, lasalle do not bolt up, same flywheel and clutch though,1951+ is a selecter type, not as bullet proof as lasalle 1951+ can use early buick tranny though, early buick trannys are almost ast bulletproof as lasalle, some parts even interchange inside them

    note that cadillac 1949?, 1950,1951,1952,1953,1954 has the same bellhousing as oldsmobile, and that many ambulances aswell as funeral cars could have lasalle trannys, though is 1950 olds the ONLY year with shorty tailshaft, the 1949-1954 has the same bellhousing as 1950 olds though ( i am not 100% sure if 1954 cadillac had the manual trans, did they share infact the same flywheel as earlier olds in 1954 for manual or did they use 176 gear flywheel in 1954?, i own an 1953 cadillac tranny .. pics below)


    Flywheels:
    Oldsmobile 1949 - 1953 (303) - 145 teeth
    Oldsmobile 1954 - 1960 (324 + 371) - 176 teeth
    Oldsmobile 1961 - 1964 (late 371 + 394) - 176 teeth

    Automatic trannys
    1949 -
    1950 -
    1951 -
    1952 -
    1953 -
    1953 - dynaflow

    adapters:
    offenhauser:
    1949-1964 303-394 - all engines - #0301 - to 32-48 ford and 39-50 mercury and up to 1952 truck
    1949-1964 - 303-394 - all engines - #5857 - olds to 3speed t-90 4wdr tranny
    1949-1964 - 303-394 - all engines - #5858 - olds to 3speed toyota tranny

    starter switcher
    to move starter to passengerside to clear steering on hotrods.

    hildebrandt:

    offenhauser:
    1949-1964 - 303-394 - #3605

    wilcap:


    pics of flywheels:
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    pics of transmissions etc:

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    this is my 1950 olds transmission with hurst shifter

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    this is my 1953 cadillac ambulance tranny with hurst mystery shifter

    bellhousing pictures:

    [​IMG]
    eelco

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    [​IMG]
    1950 olds bellhousing

    [​IMG]
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    1951 olds bellhousing

    [​IMG]
    offenhauser #0304 adapter
    [​IMG]
    offenhauser #3605 starter switcher

    automatic trannys:

    [​IMG]
    b&m hydra stick
     
  6. RocketDaemon
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    Engine mounts

    stock:

    aftermarked:

    hurst:
    [​IMG]


    CT:



    oil filter adapters:

    hildebrandt:

    offenhauser
    1949-1958 Oldsmobile: 1949-58 By-Pass Adapter - 3604 (same as below?)
    1949-1958 Oldsmobile: 1949-58 By-Pass Adapter - 100
    1959-1964 Oil Filter Block Off Plate - #5317 (same as below?)1959-1964 Oil Filter Bypass Adapter - 101
    1959-1964 Oil Filter Block Off Plate - #5318 (same as below?)
    1959-1964 Oil Filter Bypass Adapter - 101

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    1949-1958 Oldsmobile: 1949-58 By-Pass Adapter - 100

    [​IMG]
     
  7. RocketDaemon
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    Fenton:
    fenton made an cast iron header for the 303 olds

    gear-drive lake headers:

    exhaust gaskets see gasket post:

    [​IMG]
    Gear drive - lake headers
     
  9. RocketDaemon
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    to my knowledge all valley covers interchange

    aftermarked manufacturers

    mooneyes:

    eelco:

    unknown:
    [​IMG]
     
  10. RocketDaemon
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    aftermarket magnetos and dists:

    Joe Hunt:
    magneto for all rockets, still avaible from joe hunt magnetos
    fake magnetos


    [​IMG]
    olds cirillo/schieffer frankenstien mag 394
     
  11. RocketDaemon
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  12. RocketDaemon
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    felpro
    full gasket sets:

    1954 - 324 -

    offenhauser
    intake gaskets:

    1949-1953 - 303 - #3312
    1954-1956 - 324 - #3313
    1957-1958 - 371 - #3941
    1959-1960 - 371*-394 - #5211


    exhaust gaskets:

    1954-1956 - 324 - #5425
    1957-1958 - 371 - #5426
    1959-1960 - 371* - #5427
    1961-1963 - 394 - #5428
     
  13. RocketDaemon
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    Links to parts suppliers that sell oldsmobile rocket stuff
    offenhauser stuff:
    http://www.exeterautosupply.com - support dmarv and get hamb alliance discounts
    http://www.offyparts.com/

    http://www.huntmagnetos.com/ - joe hunt magnetos STILL sell rocket magentos aswell as magneto lookalike dists

    exhaust:
    www.lakeheaders.com - gear drive, makes and sells lake headers

    engine parts for rebuilding:
    http://www.kanter.com
    http://www.egge.com

    Transmission parts:
    http://www.wilcap.com - transmission adapters + flywheels
    http://www.transmissionadapters.com - transmission adapters + flywheels
     
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  15. HEATHEN
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    One note on the Cadillac bell housing--it will fit the Olds block and uses the LaSalle type transmission, but does not have provisions for mounts like the Olds bell has.
     
  16. RocketDaemon
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    paul:
    kinda hard to find the info when so many people post, i just wanted to clean everything up and gather even moer information and pictures then anyone did before..

    heathen:
    are you sure? my black 1953 bellhousing and 1950 olds bellhousing seems to be the same? havent compared exactly but just looking on the pics they seem the same, what mounts are you refering to? the ones on the side? that the black one has? maybe my black isnt 1953 caddy but 1950 olds? not impossible as i was just told it was 1953 caddy, could be 1950 olds bellhousing with earlier lasalle tranny
     
  17. HEATHEN
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    When I dig out the Fenton headers for a photo shoot, I'll take you one of my Cadillac bell housing as well. Other than no mount provision, it also has cast in strengthening ribs.
     
  18. Stone
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    Thanks for the info. With some much stuff out there being posted I found it hard to search and get the answers I was looking for.
    Again thanks. I found this on the web. Kinda gives the storie on what went into dsesigning the rocket.
    http://www.autohistory.org/feature_8.html
     
  19. racer756
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    Thank you for consolidating this info. It IS very helpful.
     
  20. Durod
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    man i've got all tha badass rocket threads saved somewhere on here. lemme see what i can dig up... thanks Daemon, you rule.
     
  21. the shadow
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    here's a few performance things I have laying around for olds

    olds cirillo/schieffer frankenstien mag 394
    weiand 04D 2X4 intake 49-56 303-324 olds
    edelbrock OL398 3 X 2 intake 49-56 303-324 olds
    hildebrant starter relocator #54-2 (394?)
    weiand finned timing cover (371?-394)
     

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  22. Durod
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    ooooh man that 'Frankenstein' mag for 394s is a super sweet piece..!!
     
  23. Billy the kid
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    I aquired my first rocket yesterday, a 53 303. This thread has taught me a lot already. I will be going to the back yard very soon to see what I can find on the survivor. Thanks for the effort and the info.
     
  24. RocketDaemon
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    thanx for all the info everyone is adding, i will try to post stuff into this thread everyday if possible.

    i added some stuff lastnight and this morning, there is still alot to add, i've got some stuff still in my head to write down, aswell as hunt down all the other posts and gather information from them..
     
  25. Dago 88
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    Thanks Daemon, love it. Do you need more pics ? I have a Hildebrandt starter cross over if you like & some other goodies. If you like i can take some pics on the week end.
    Cheers Dago. :)
     
  26. kustomolds
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    Great thread! You are right, there is a lot of info on this board and it will be great having most all of it right here in one thread.....
     
  27. seymour
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    If my internet is working later this week, I'll dig out some of my Olds junk.
     
  28. CGkidd
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    I wiash I was at home to take pics of some of my items. I have a Weiand tripower for the 324 and Cragar 4 deuce.
     
  29. **MCQUEEN**
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  30. RetroJoe
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    It would be nice if this could be made into a sticky! I have a 56' Olds that I am building and am always looking for info on them.
    Does anyone know if you can adapt a newer trans to the 324?
     

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