Event Coverage The Official 2014 Meltdown Drags #5 thread, vintage drag meet, July 18,19&20 Byron IL

62Furious I knew those guys would have fun with this I liked Ric's last one also wailn wedge. I keep calling it Shamu.

Hey Ric here's some more ammo for you.

I was born in 1958 in Kansas and being a 101airborn army brat my first thee years of school was in Germany.
My dad wanted to finish his collage education at the university of Mo so we moved to Columbia in 1968.
Dad was from St Joseph Mo and granddad was the black smith in that town (his passed away long before I was even a thought). So not sure if that is why we ended back in Mo.
Here's a shot of me in action on the salts guess that's where I came up with my HAMB name.

 

Here's a shot of granddad. Wish I could have met him.

 

St Joseph?

The "James Gang" Charger...?

Das Boot

The Panzer

Blitzkrieg Charger!

Firebrand

Guerrilla Warfare




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Scott I like The James Gang Charger if I could get my oldest to get into this that would fit in good he is James II

How about Schrader weldrite wedge III that thing is loooong enough for sure to grt that on the side.

 

I was born on Jesse's birthday,so I've always been kind of obsessed with the James gang lore.

I think "James Gang" would rock the heck outta that Ol Mopar Brother!

Scott


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So, I went back a few pages, but I didn't see what they decided to do about 2015? Still having the drags?

 

Root, Go to page 110 and read the post from Falfasnightmare for a full explination. The 2015 Meltdown is going to be as good if not better then ever!
That means you have exactly eleven months to get the Dragon Fly to Byron for the next Meltdown.

 

Thanks. Glad to hear that the crybabies didn't win. It's easy to get discouraged trying to please everyone. I really want to make the trip up there.

 

Just wondering if any thought was ever given to a rule governing the tire styles?

Not trying to start a big pissing match here, but I would love to see a bunch of cars with pie crusts running around. I have wrinkle walls on mine, but they only made a wrinkle wall in a 16" at the time. I am pondering a set of 1200-16's even if I lose a little performance. It just looks right.

 

What....no prostreet Gasser/FX/Super Stockers.lol

My opinion would be 11.00X30 max...now thats my opinion not necessarily that of the MDA.

Meltdown Drags
July 17,18,19 2015

 

Might as well go all the way and have no water burnouts.

 

I told Quain, if the cars start getting to fast, and you want to slow them down, make em all run Pie Crusts, and NO digital programmable ignition boxes. It would also be a blast to have a bunch of cars like the Koopie Twins Tri-5's, Kips Sedan, or Austin, etc with real vintage speed equipment, Pie Crusts, non aftermarket gear boxes, with Camel Hump 265-370"ers, 348/409's, little rat motors, and Hemi's, FE's, Wedges etc. with production cyl. heads, say no larger than say 460-470" etc,, and have big shoot out. We have a good 306" small block, and a couple Super T10's & Hurst Ram Rod shifters, as well as 5.57-5.86 Dana 60 gears for ours. Have an old school Pie Crust Shoot Out with Radir, Hurst, Towel City, and Coker (we call their Firestones, "Mud-n-Snow tires , as sponsors. I see why the Meltdowns work well though as a big grudge meet though, as soon as you have to start "Policing" the cubes etc. it all becomes a bigger problem

 

I love the idea of pie crusts. The times would slow down but the smoke shows would be wicked. They only make the 16" pie crusts in 32" tall, which is way more tire than I need, but it does look period correct.

I have a 306 in the Fly. It's all 1960's speed parts. The problem I got into, was that most guys don't care about keeping it 100% period, they just wanna go faster. I understand that also, but it's hard to compete with a car that has a non adjustable chassis and factory iron head, when guys around you are building 427 CID small blocks.

Policing the cubes will be a huge headache, but if guys are honest and want to preserve the heritage, chances are the honor system would work....for a while.

 

The pie crusts sound good but I know I don't want them trying to hook up 600 hp

 

Come on Danny.....don't be skeered...

 

Why not?
I have the Hot Rod article with the first Mercury flip top cars...they were designed to run on M&H piecrusts. The engineers knew how much tire slip they wanted to still be able to drive away hard. A cammer on nitro is way over 600HP.

Meltdown Drags
July 17,18,19 2015

 

Kip, weren't you on Pie Crusts this year? Looks like you hooked pretty good, before "Ole Black Heart" tried to go left and mow the tree down. I have a pair of 10.00 x 15 Radirs, I'll have to throw em on, and see if the 56 tries to turn around, and go the other way!

 

Yeah, I never ended up buying wrinkle walls. I would say it hooked then the non adjustable chassis took over and it unloaded and spun...if the car left more level it would probably do pretty good. My motor is set back quite a bit too though.

Meltdown Drags
July 17,18,19 2015

 

I am all for the little motors with camel humps and super t-10s but when you run at Little River and Mokan ,if your going to run horsepower you need a good tire . Not enough wiggle room

 

Pretty sure Quain's bunch runs up to 11.5 ...for what it's worth. Getting pretty acquainted with their rules now hehe
...oh and 600 hp ain't shit compared to what they are running. Pie crust...hehehe

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Kip, weren't you on Pie Crusts this year? Looks lime you hooked pretty good, before "Ole Black Heart" tried to go left and mow the tree down. I have a pair of 10.00 x 15 Radirs, I'll have to throw em on, and see if the 56 tries to turn around, and go the othe

Did you guys know, that a current state of the art 327 Chevy Super Stock engine makes 625+Hp and they turn them 9000-9500. This is with a 750 Q-jet, single 4bbl cast, or sheet metal intake, ported 461X,492, 186, 041, 291 straight plug 1.940 x 1.500 STEEL valves. You can port the heads, but the intake runner cannot be larger than 165-170cc, and the best ones flow only around 260 cfm on the intake. Biggest solid roller you want, belt drives ok, flat top pistons (lite as you dare, and tiny rings. Before the rule changes that allowed sheet metal intakes, and porting, these engines still made 550-580, and ran 10.20's @ 130+ in 2800-3000lb cars, so you could have a lot of fun with one, on a somewhat modest budget, with less expensive parts. Our 306 has a '66 small main 327 block @ 4.040, a real 283 (small counter weight) steel crank, 5.700 H beam rods, 12.5:1 CP pistons with .043 x .043 x 3mm rings, and gas ports, ported 186's that flow 258cfm on the intake, a 260' x .630 solid roller, stud mount 1.65 x 1.6 roller rockers, a 6qt. Corvette cam, and either a two four tunnel ram, or one of our sets of Jackson Injectors. I think it'll make 550-575 way up high, we'll see in a little bit. By the way, a legal Super Stock 283/220HP combo, with a 430cfm 4 Jet Rochester, and legal ported Power Pack (they flow about 200-210 cfm on the intake) heads with 1.750 intake valves will make 500-515 or so! and run low 10's @ 125-130 in 2800-3000lb cars.

 

The White Trash Anglia's 388" small block makes 635 Hp, (2328lbs with driver) and Quain's 400 680Hp (2400lbs with driver). The trick there is light cars. If you built a 350-360" small block that makes 650-675 (which ain't to hard to do). and your 6.00lbs. per inch, that's 2160lbs on the starting line with you in it!, and a well sorted car should run 8.70's-8.80's @ 155MPH! Porters "Night Stalker" has been in the low/mid 5.60's (8.90-9.00's approaching 150mph) with his 416" engine (2500lbs with driver), only his car weighs 2800 (300lbs, or 3 tenths) over his allowable min. Shannon went 9.12 at the Meltdowns, and Willingham is there too. Our '56 should run 950-960 with our "good 413"engine", and with what Marc, and I are willing to do to our car to reduce weight, we'll probably never be less than 2900-3000lbs on the starting line..,500 lbs overweight.
Your right Bean 600Hp isn't a lot these days, but if someone had 600hp, in a 2100 lb. car, that's potentially a 9.30/145mph car. Our current 640HP pump gas engine all sorted our with the right gear out back, is only a 10.50/130mph player. If our 306 makes 550-575 and weighs its current 3200 lbs, we have a potential for 10.80's/125mph on Pie Crusts, which I think is doable.

 

Man I hope Quain never says you gotta run pie crusts because I ain't gonna do it. The Nightstalker actually weighs a bit more than 2800 but that's all I'm gonna say about that. Put it this way but if I can't get at least 800 hp from my engine I don't think I can be competitive with them.


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The Pale Rider is 2775 with the driver....I'm good with 11.50 measured tread width.

Meltdown Drags
July 17,18,19 2015

 

A Cammer just on gasoline is way over 600hp...I believe the number was 638.

Add a couple of Harvey Crane's "nitro cams" and injection,and those things got busy in a hurry....I can see Nicholson's flipper running anything less than 1000hp on fuel..

Anyway,speaking of drag cars,I just heard from Merek Chertkow (winner of the giveaway chassis),and he has tracked down a motor,injection unit,and a 31 spline olds rear....He might have it ready for Meltdown VI!

Scott


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Don't get me wrong, I'm totally good with Quains current 11.5 tire rule. I also think that a group of 400-600hp old school cars on Pie Crusts would be a riot TOO. By the way, Quain has considered a smaller, maybe 10-10.5" tread rule sometime in the future if need to "even up" some of the cars. We are happy to do battle with the cars that run in our ET range, and not be able to run 8.90's etc. What would be cool, is to have something like and A/G group that ran say 8.90's-9.40's where you could tree a guy, and possibly beat him. Then a B/G group that ran in the 9.40-9.90 range, a C/G group that was capable of 10.0's-10.50's and so on. Then as a finale, take the quickest car from each group, handicap the tree, according to the lowest, or avg. ET of each of those cars, and run flat out to the finish line for the "Little Eliminator Crown", like they also did back in the day. It is still very exciting to watch, and drive, as long as your not having to worry about breaking out, and all the class winners, and the top eliminator guy has bragging rights, and each class competitor, has to Eliminators to gun for. I also think that this type deal would inspire a guy to keep working on his car etc. and strive to climb to the top of his classs, or up another one, say move from E/G to D/G. However, if the same guys has to go from 12.50's to 9.50's to more recognition, or what have you, its a big mountain to climb. Again, this one of the cool things about the Meltdown, its basically one big grudge match, so guys can seek out like matched cars, and go after each other. I guess the nostalgia side of me likes the idea of the old gas class designations, and they actually have relevance to the cars performance. Ok, I'm done yammering.

 

I'm with you kip on the 11.50 max tire width. Pie Crust or Wrinkle Wall don't matter. I think saying only Pie Crust is getting picky.

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Scott, thanks for the update on the "Give away Rail", only you left out a small detail..,WHAT KIND OF ENGINE & INJECTOR, HOLY COW MAN!

 

Lmao!

I wasn't sure if Merek wanted me to blow the lid off the surprise or not,but it's going to be Nailhead powered,and I offered him my 4-71,but I believe it is an old Hilborn stack injection setup he found.

As most of you know,he is a very slick fabricator,so this will be one nice car when finished.

It should also move out pretty good,as I'm sure some of you know what his previous rides looked like....

Scott


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