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Technical Smallest Production V8 Cubic Inches

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by 38Chevy454, Sep 1, 2015.

  1. steel rebel
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    What a fun thread. I don't have anything to add but am enjoying it.
    Did I hear somebody you can't get any horsepower from a V8 60. Weren't they competitive with Offy's.
     
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  2. atomickustom
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    A little over your limit, but I had a '75 or so Olds Omega (Nova) with a 250 Olds V-8.
    Looked just like a regular Oldsmobile V8, but without any of the power. Smooth though.
     
  3. falcongeorge
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    Yes, Fiat and Siata V8 are the same engine. Or, to put it another way, Siata used fiat V-8s.
     
  4. falcongeorge
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    somewhat competitive, in Midgets with the 97 CI offys. The offys won a lot more races than the V8-60s, but there were a few V8-60s that could at least compete with the Offies, Vic Edelbrocks in particular. But he had a speed secret in a can...;)
     
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  5. SR100
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    Most of the Daimler V8s went into the Daimler 2.5 saloon (a Jag Mk II w/ the V8 & a Daimler grill). They'll be easier to find than the SP250, particularly in in the UK, unless the 'banger racers' get to them first.
     
  6. Kerrynzl
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    Triumph 3.0 V8 [186 cu in] from the mid 70's Stag .

    British engineering at it's finest [you need to buy 2 cars ,to keep one on the road]

    It's crazy how the Poms can build these nightmares yet engines like the Cosworth DFV or even the old Coventry climax FWMV [1.5 V8] were great
     
  7. mgtstumpy
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    This has been done. There is an OT V8 122 Volvo with this engine.
     
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  8. falcongeorge
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    man I'd like to see/hear that! I posted the video the above still is from about a year ago, the mods deleted it.
     
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  9. SimonSez
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    The Moto-Guzzi V8 motorcycle is pretty small - 31 cubic inches, water cooled, DOHC and good for 78 hp at 12,000 rpm according to this page ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_Guzzi_V8

    You can hear one running here ...


    [​IMG]
     
  10. pdq67
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    The Dodge Red Ram 241" hemi was copied by Toyota if you really look into their kept in Japan engines!

    As far as a real hemi goes, it is a little-bitty bugger compared to the 392" hemi engine.

    I had a 221 Ford V-8 years ago.. Same size as the 5.0 just smaller B&S is all.

    One modern little V-8 that can be made up BUT why??, is the SBC 267 with either a 3" for 231 " or a 3.1" crank for a 238.6"er. Give or take a .030" overbore if needed???

    Then you are looking at 235" and 243"s or so..

    And fwiw, I figure the smallest "regular" sized engine is the 350" Buick unless you consider a 347", Ford 5.0 block engine....

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  11. Gene Boul
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    My choice would be the Ford V8 60 there were even Ardun hemi heads for this little devil and other hem's as well, but can't recall any names at this time.
     
  12. wheeldog57
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    A wee bit big for this post but, Fords 260 from mid 60s and the anemic 262 wicked small Chevy from early 80s
     
  13. blowby
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    What I wouldn't give for a set of those...

    Hanging in there pretty good without.

    tiltfront.jpg Wheelie.jpg
     
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  14. atomickustom
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    Dude, I just said that Olds built a "regular" sized V-8 with only 260 cubic inches. Same external dimensions as a 350 olds but with a tiny little bore. Probably the physically biggest tiny V-8 ever.
     
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  15. steel rebel
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    Didn't Rover use a V8 60 klone way back before they started using aluminum railheads. I think I've seen them at swaps.
     
  16. Rusty O'Toole
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    Let's not forget the French Simca Vedette, 144 cu in flathead V8.

    It was a derivative of the Ford V8 60, produced in France by Ford from 1949 on, sold to Simca in the early fifties.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simca_Vedette
     
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  17. are we thinking about the early Chevy V/8 in the teens....?....1912 or so....
     
  18. The 1917 V8 Chevy engine had 288 CID.
    the smallest production AMERICAN V8 engine was the 215 Buick/Olds/Pontiac aluminum motor.
     
  19. mgtstumpy
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  20. Bruce A Lyke
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    this was my guess, has on in a 62 Lemans at 15.
     
  21. FrankenRodz
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    I've got a 1962 Ford 221 V8, only produced 1-year, marketed as Ford's "First Small Block V8".
    Sitting in my Shop, cleaned/magged, FREE to anyone who wants it!
     

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  22. volvobrynk
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    Wish I was closer :-/

    I just did the math I can't belive the v8/60 is only 137 ci or around 2.2 liters. That is small.
     
  23. stimpy
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    there was a dirt track midget racers here in the midwest that used outboards for powerplants , most of them mercury inline 6's they were compact and powerful for the little weight and you could run them in any position because of the manifolds , they made cooling systems for them . they suit them well as it was basically a Wot once the flag dropped to the end ,
     
  24. stimpy
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    but didn't volvo make some 2 strokes themselves ?? I swore my buddys 1960's P car was a 2 stroke as it sounded and smoked like one .
     
  25. stimpy
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    opps right area of the world wrong manufacturer it was a saab sedan he owned not his p car ,
     
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  26. Gary Addcox
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    If I am not mistaken, the SP-250 Hemi is the mill that Steve Dennish from LIMEWERKS runs in his Deuce highboy roadster. He is in Santa Fe Springs, CA. He is a bloody nice guy.
     
  27. Ned Ludd
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    The original post excludes "some Ferrari or other exotic mfrs that the normal guy could not easily buy and use", but in actual fact the Ferrari F106/F120 Dino V8 was a full volume-produced engine of which thousands were made in various forms between 1962 and 2004.

    Early, rare SOHC versions were 2459cc (150cu.in.) or 2645cc (161cu.in.)

    The more common DOHC versions were 1991cc (121cu.in.), 2927cc (179cu.in), 2855cc (174cu.in.), 3186cc (194cu.in.), 2936cc (179cu.in.), 3405cc (208cu.in.), 3496cc (213cu.in.), and 3586cc (219cu.in.) Some of these had 4V heads; the very last of them had 5V heads. As far as I know all of them had flat-plane cranks.

    I'm not sure if any were configured for front-engine, RWD installation. I believe the gearbox case was integral with the oil pan, even in unexpected cases like the FWD Lancia Thema 8.32 four-door saloon. Lots of ways around this: a custom oil pan is the obvious way, but what about keeping the 'box where it is, installing the engine north-south, gutting the diff housing, and taking drive from one end of the driven shaft? i.e. the Legends/bike-powered Locost approach.

    Edit: I believe some (rare?) later versions had the engine north-south, with a transaxle behind.

    Here is the oil pan/gearbox you're more likely to find:
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  28. AFAIK the Stag didn't have a bad engine at all, but Leyland/Triumph cheaped out when it came to the cooling system, which lead to warped heads. Car got a bad rep and it stuck. Though it's actually an ok motor. I wonder why they bothered when the same company produced the Rover V8 at the same time though.
     
  29. falcongeorge
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    I think you are thinking of early Saabs.
     
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  30. volvobrynk
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    Them small Saab 3 cylinder engine in a FWD with a freewheeling 4speed was a nimble and well respected race and rally car over here.
    Did fine and could literally be revved too the moon.

    Is there an reason that V8-60 are so frauned upon?
    If that could run head to head with an offy, and then be obsolete for racing must mean that there was a shitload of hefty full on race engine available for the broken, beaten and the damned, at an discount no less.
    Or am I totally off here?

    I really like that little Bantam with the V8-60 that @blowby so proudly runs around in! And it takes a real men to run a under rated, overheating disrespected motor and such a cool manor!
     

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