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Ford’s 2.0/2.3/2.5 litre engine family guide

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  1. Kenneth S
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    As far as the engine wiring harness goes a salvage yard would probably be the cheapest, but must of them get cut, and mangled in some way. A salvage yard may have a distributor (what I do is go to Advance autoparts and get a reman distributor, last time I bought one cost $60.00 plus $10.00 for the core charge). The last time I bought a Holley 350bbl carb was off of ebay, it was a reman for $100.00
     
  2. jesroll
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  3. BEE-rad
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    will a valve cover from a 2.0l work on a 2.3l from 74..???
     
  4. BEE-rad
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    here is a picture of the set will this fit on a 2.3l
     

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  5. oj
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    I have done a bunch of these intakes and modified them for carbs - a 500cfm holley 4412 works really good after some mods to the powervalve ckt and a couple other things. The efi intake needs a lot of welding and porting to get it flowing and you have to mill out & blend the area under where the carb goes as they bring 4 individual runners into a common area. And i mean a bunch. It also wants a tall, large plenum.
     
  6. oj
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    As a matter of fact, i dug this adaptor out. This one won a race with the ford head but when they let them run the essinger head the plenum was too small, i made different ones for them and they were good for about 200rpm
     

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  7. Kenneth S
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    It fits a Holley 350-500 cfm 2bbl.
     
  8. Kenneth S
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    On the valve,and timing belt cover it's for the 71-73 Pinto's with the 2.0 EAO, they will not fit the 2.3.
     
  9. jesroll
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    <TABLE style="BORDER-BOTTOM: 2px groove; BORDER-LEFT: 2px groove; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; BORDER-TOP: 2px groove; BORDER-RIGHT: 2px groove" class=main><TBODY><TR><TH>1978 FORD MUSTANG II 2.3L 140cid L4 SOHC : Ignition : Distributor Wiki</TH><TH>Price</TH><TH>Core</TH><TH>Total</TH></TR><TR id=table424part0 class=part0><TD class=alternate0 rowSpan=2><TABLE class=parts><TBODY><TR><TD class=left><TABLE class=layout><TBODY><TR><TD class=partlayout>A-1 CARDONE Part # 302490 [​IMG] Reman. Electronic
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    </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD style="PADDING-TOP: 10px" id=node424part1price class="center leftrightborder pricebreakdown alternate1">$42.79</TD><TD style="PADDING-TOP: 10px" id=node424part1core class="center leftrightborder middleborder pricebreakdown alternate1">$6.30</TD><TD style="PADDING-TOP: 10px" id=node424part1total class="center boldfont leftrightborder pricebreakdown alternate1">$49.09</TD></TR><TR id=table424add1 class=part1><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; PADDING-TOP: 5px" class="alternate1 right" colSpan=3>Add to Cart [​IMG]</TD></TR><TR id=table424part2 class=part0><TD class=alternate0 rowSpan=2><TABLE class=parts><TBODY><TR><TD class=left><TABLE class=layout><TBODY><TR><TD class=partlayout>AUTOLINE Part # D4026 [​IMG] Reman
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    Would any of these distributors work? sorry for all the clarifications but first time I'm working on this engine...I have more experience with the Toyota 22rs
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  10. oj
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    Those carbs will bolt on but they won't work right, if you guys want i can do a tech piece on modifing them so that they will work.
     
  11. Kenneth S
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    jesroll, anyone of those distributors will work fine.

    oj, do the tech piece carb modifing, it would be a great addition to this thread.
     
  12. jesroll
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    yah that would be great to see how to get those carbs to work :)
     
  13. jesroll
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    would anyone know if a head from a ford courier 2.3 fit on my 94 block? i got anothe buddy with a courier head, intake, carb assembly
     
  14. Kenneth S
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    The 2.3 was available in the 2nd generation Ford Courier from 1977-82. The other engine available was the Mazda 2.0. The Mazda 2.0 uses a chian drive for the camshaft, So if it's a 2.3 the head, intake, and carb will bolt right on your 94 block.
     
  15. lovehamr
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    This thread tripped my trigger into joining HAMB. Seems that I get diverted here all the time anyway on searches so why not.

    In the 2.3 l arena some friends and I are running an 88 Mustang powered by the venerable Lima in "Lemons" and "Chumpcar" events. The car is very light and handles extremely well but really needs another 40 or 50 HP. The next race that we'll be entering will be a Chumpcar race at NOLA running down a 3000+ foot straight. We can spank just about anyone in the turns but that straight is gonna kill us. Right now the short block is a stock N/A, the head has been heavily ported and it has some sort of big cam. The induction is injection right now but we are looking to change to a carb as the injection does not like the cam/head work. It runs like a bat out o,f well you know, above 3500rpm but won't hardly run below that. The biggest driving factor in what we do will be driven by cost, not JUST because we po', but because that's what drives Lemons and Chumpcar. Innovation is alive and well there.

    Anyone have any suggestions that would be able to fly under the radar inspection wise but still give a decent boost in power? What would be best/cheapest/easiest for the carb conversion? Yes I know those 3 really never go together, I’m just hoping to stimulate some conversation.
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  16. metalshapes
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    Sounds to me like you have to big of a cam.

    Unless you have a close ratio gearbox which you probably dont.

    I bet what you loose coming out of the corners, you cant make up for at the end of the straight.
     
  17. Kenneth S
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    I have to agree with metalshapes on the too big of a cam. You really need to find out what cam you currently have. You also need to figure what compression ratio you have.
     
  18. jesroll
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    thanks guys I really appreciate the technical tips....i ended up getting the engine running...there was a problem with the harness....got it resolved! thanks alot this message board is very informative and helpful
     
  19. metalshapes
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    I just found a Penco supercharger.

    There is some Info in Ganahl's Supercharger book about it.

    Apperently, they were sold as a kit for the 2000cc Pinto/Capri engine.

    Does anybody have any idea if intakes for it are still available?

    I havent completely made up my mind yet if I'm going to use it on my 2000cc, or my 2.3T project.

    Part of that will depend on what I can find.

    Or if I will have to make everything...

    ( maybe adapt from a different intake?
    like a B&M or something like that?)

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  20. Kenneth S
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    This is all I could find about a Penco supercharger.
    They were made from the '70s-'80s in Lincoln, NE, & so far as I know are out of business. It's essentially GM 4-53 rotors & gears in a custom case. For the SBC, it's supposed to be 1.75:1 overdriven & approximately 4 1/2 lbs. of boost with the Penco intake manifold, which is low profile & not optimal.

    These were primarily designed (in the '60s by a GM engineer) for motorhomes & towing applications rather than performance. The big drawback, as I remember, is that the shafts run directly on the aluminum endplates which were reamed to fit, and pressurized by the engine's oil system....no bushings or bearings...so maintenance was important, & if the endplates wear, the rotors will probably hit each other & the case.
     
  21. denis4x4
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    If they were made in Lincoln NE, changes are good somebody at Speedway has info.
     
  22. metalshapes
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    Thanks.

    I'll give them a call.
     
  23. metalshapes
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    I've done some measuring.

    Its going on my 2 litre.

    Putting it where I guess it would go with a reagular blower manifold would make the engine pretty tall, though.
    Specially if I'd use a IDF Weber, and a filter on top of that.

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    So I did another mockup, and this is what I think I'll go with.

    Mounted to the side of the engine.

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    I'll have to make my own mounting bracket for the blower, and ducting to a intake, and a intake, and a manifold to mount the Weber to the suction side of the blower.

    This engine will get a lot of plumbing.

    Its getting a dry sump as well...
     
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  24. Check out my 2.3 Turbo /T5 roadster ..Just finished after 8yrs. (On my 70th birthday!!)
    Should weigh around 16-1800#'s ... Pulls from the get-go!!
     

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  25. CutawayAl
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    Looks like pretty nice work for a young kid like yourself.:)
     
  26. Kenneth S
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    Looks really good, and should be really fun too!!!
     
  27. bonez
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    Doesnt the early Pinto have front oil fill like the late ones? this one is in the back as the spacing for the belt is on the opposite side.

    I'd love me a valve cover that looks like that one for my 2.0 btw.

    The belt cover looks like a pinto one thou.
     
  28. GlenC
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    When I first met my wonderful wife back in 1979, she was this cute little 21 year old chick driving this cute little yellow girlie-car, a 1978 English Ford Escort 4 door sedan. I always drove it like I was handling a basket of eggs, being a girlie-car and all, then one day at the lights a big Ford V8 snuck up on the inside lane beside us...

    "Put your foot down" she says.
    "What?" says I.
    "You've never looked under the bonnet (hood) of this thing have you?" she smiled, 'Put your foot down!"

    And so I dropped the hammer, and we blew that big Ford right away! The first chance I got, I 'had a look' under the hood, and the little girlie-car was stuffed full of 2 litre Pinto power!

    Look at the back of the car, no badges to give it away either!

    Cheers, Glen.
     

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  29. Kenneth S
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    It doesn't really matter where the oil fill is on the valve cover (I have some stock ford valve covers for the 2.3's with either the oil fill in the front, or in the rear of them.
     
  30. bonez
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    yep, that is a stong point.. ;)
    Have you got any idea where to find one like that? i'd really like to have a decent cover.
     
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