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Flat Olive-Drab & Khaki Military Paint

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  1. Abomination
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    I've seen a lot of cars recently that are painted a flat OD green or khaki, often with a white star on the side.

    Just curious, but is this paint cheap and/or plentiful (like surplus)? Can your buddy "sneak you some off base" or something? Surely if you ordered it somewhere it would cost the same as any other paint, right?

    Is the primer and paint itself durable? Surely somebody on the HAMB has had to deal with shooting/maintaining this kind of paint.

    Just curious. If it's cheap enough, hell, maybe I'd try it on my F2. My entire thinking is along the lines of "cheap" here.

    What about flat navy paint?

    ~Jason
     
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  2. Throttlehead250
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    there are flatening agents that can be added to any paint. check out hotrod flatz on the internet, i havnt lookin into all their paint but i know that there are alot options.
     
  3. plym49
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    The authentic military olive-drab colors are available from many sources that cater to the many military vehicle enthusiasts. Off-the-shelf colors are not quite the same, and don't look 'right', IMHO. When I was in the service we used alkyd enamels that were incredibly durable, and could be applied with little more surface prep than sweeping off the dirt. I don't know what the military is using these days, but I am sure that the 'authentic' products are just as bullet-proof (no pun intended).
     
  4. Abomination
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    I knew about the flattening agents, but I was after info on the real deal that the US Armed Forces uses, and whether or not it's any cheaper to obtain than just waltzing into a paint shop, having them approximate the color, and adding flattening agents. That, or ordering pre-mix from one of the Jeep parts guys online, etc.

    WTF does the US military use these days, anyway?

    I know on HAMB-worthy stuff I have this chart:
    http://www.olive-drab.com/od_mvg_odpaint.php

    And I have this database:
    http://www.olive-drab.com/od_search_olivedrab.php3

    ~Jason

     
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  5. Abomination
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    "billet-proof".
    LMAO!
    :p

    ~Jason

     
  6. most coatings used by the Army these days is CARC- chemical agent resistant coating. It's a water based coating and seems quite durable. Sherwin Williams is a major supplier of it but others make it too. It has a MIL-SPEC (military specification), am not sure but it might be available from any S-W supplier unless it's restricted for govt-only use. But I doubt anyone would want it on their ride unless it's an M1 or Stryker. There's most likely a commercial equivalent for the spec stuff. I can get the spec next week, will post it then.
     
  7. 1935Ron
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    You can still get the correct paint

    I used the flatting agent and used a bit to much and it did weaken the paint
    <TABLE class=idchart><TBODY><TR><TD>1940</TD><TD>Lustreless Olive Drab Enamel
    QM Color No. 22
    Corps of Engineers Color No. 9</TD><TD>Quartermaster Specification ES-474 (or ES-474-B) painting standards
    Quartermaster Specification 3-1 Color Card Suppplement
    Corps of Engineers 1942 Color Card
    Pittsburgh Plate Glass Contract No. 398-QM-8694 (No. 1135) (and other manufacturers following)
    Fed. Stock No. 51-E-4171-15 (one gallon) or 51-E-4172 (five gallons)</TD></TR><TR><TD>1943</TD><TD>Lustreless Olive Drab</TD><TD>Specification 3-1F Color Card Suppplement (Revision 1)
    Corps of Engineers 1942 Color Card</TD></TR><TR><TD>1943</TD><TD>A/N 319 Olive Drab
    Lustreless, very similar to QM Color No. 22 but different chemical composition. Not commonly used for vehicles.</TD><TD>Army Resources and Production Division
    Joint Army-Navy color specification A/N 319</TD></TR><TR><TD>1944</TD><TD>A/N 319 Olive Drab
    Improved moisture seal, slight gloss</TD><TD>See Doyle, Appendix 2</TD></TR><TR><TD>1945</TD><TD>Olive Drab, Semigloss</TD><TD>Army Regulation 850-15 1 Aug 1945
    Specification 3-181, Amendment 3, Type V
    Fed. Stock No. 52-E-7574 (one gallon)</TD></TR><TR><TD>1950</TD><TD>OD 3412 (flat) and OD 2430 (semigloss)
    Color equivalent to Lustreless Olive Drab</TD><TD>TT-C-595 Colors for Ready Mixed Paint</TD></TR><TR><TD>1956</TD><TD>OD 34087 (equivalent to OD 3412)
    OD 24087 (equivalent to OD 2430)
    OD 14087 (gloss)
    34087 is not the same color as 14087/24087 an error that persisted until FS595A Change 7 in 1984</TD><TD>Federal Standard FS595</TD></TR><TR><TD>1960</TD><TD>OD X34087
    OD X24087
    OD X14087
    Lighter and yellower than previous paints with same number. X indicates interim.</TD><TD>Federal Standard FS595 Addendum 2
    Issued by US Army Signal Equipment Support Agency</TD></TR><TR><TD>1968</TD><TD>OD 34087 (same as X34087)
    OD 24087 (same as X24087)
    OD 14087 (same as X14087)
    Colors not the same as FS595 same numbers</TD><TD>Federal Standard FS595A as revised by Change 3, 28 April 72</TD></TR><TR><TD>1984</TD><TD>OD 34087/24087/14087 deleted
    OD 34084/24084/14084 same color as 14087 from FS595
    OD 34088/24088/14088 same color as 34087 from FS595
    OD 33070 (equivalent to A/N 319 Lustreless OD
    OD 33070 is similar color in camouflage section</TD><TD>Federal Standard FS595A Change 7</TD></TR><TR><TD>1989</TD><TD>Only significant change was 24087 which has been reassigned to an unrelated color</TD><TD>Federal Standard FS595B</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
     
  8. 1935Ron
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    you can use AERVOE Paint A east coast dealer would be Alan R Haage ,, 34 Main Trail, Medford NJ 08055 609-953-1003
     
  9. fordf1trucknut
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    I got a case of 1944-1957 OD green spray cans from an army jeep restoration place (buying a gallon of the pain and spraying it with my paint gun would have been cheaper but I got the cans for the ease of painting the parts individually and ease of touch up. It was under $100 and covered pretty well. Time will tell if it holds up or not.

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  10. SpookyDad
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  11. Abomination
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    Holy Crappin' Willikerz, man - that's what I'd kicked around as a color scheme for my F2!

    Seeing it in reality, looks like I was right - it really doesn't look half bad! :)

    ~Jason

     
  12. Abomination
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    Anybody else on here running Mil-Spec or faux OD or Khaki paint?

    ~Jason
     
  13. Abomination
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    You know, looking around, I just found them - and it looks like two-stage, too.

    $85? Maybe I SHOULD find somebody to sneak some off base or me after all! LOL!

    If I'm spending a goodly portion of my wad on paint, I may as well go for CARC! :D

    ~Jason

     
  14. Abomination
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    I also just found these guys:
    http://www.milspray.com/

    ~Jason

     
  15. Abomination
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    That would be awesome! Thanks!

    ~Jason

     
  16. fordf1trucknut
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    I sent ya a link to the place I got my paint from. It is $30 a gallon there.
     
  17. SpookyDad
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    This is original paint on the engine in my 1944 Truck

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  18. Abomination
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    KICK ASS!

    THAT'S the stuff...

    ~Jason

     
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  20. Abomination
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    That's the place fordf1trucknut sent me! :) LOL!

    ~Jason

     
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