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  1. Bruce Lancaster
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    UPDATE! Now with Model A supplement!

    Plans below!
    I've been digging into Ford stuff on Google patents lately. Surprisingly few, mostly filed long ater parts were in use, many cover broad designs rather than the sort of minute detail oft seen in patents. They provide GREAT pictures, sometimes of actual parts, sometimes of pre-production, slightly strange bits. Below is a beginning collection of patents relating directly to the 1932 Ford. Study carefully...you will see many interesting non-production items in seemingly familiar parts. Just go to Google Patents (http://www.google.com/advanced_patent_search ) and paste the number given into the appropriate search line.
    For searching, I set a fairly broad range before and after production date in the application and make "Ford Motor" the assignee. You'll find stuff you want, interesting random stuff, airplane bits, production tools...

    Deuce Patents

    Engine:
    1975837 Engine1921266 Early version Model B (Model A at 1875718)
    2020405 Distributor
    1963657 Distributor
    1998636 Porting
    1908798 Coil
    2086644 Henry didn’t want an oil pump!

    Chassis:
    2037126 Chassis general design
    1975836 Rear suspension
    2020054 Chassis w/ odd features
    1937965 Transmission axial
    1937950 Late 18 rear end
    1908745 Brake stuff
    1908744 Brake linkage

    Grill:
    1955470 Deuce grill! Early version
    1888719 More.

    1803761 Need to ship 500 Bangers?





    Model A Patents

    Engine:
    1875718 Full engine drawing…lube system
    1873369 Ignition
    1908786 Piston balancing machine
    1908805 Generator
    1898696 Commutator segment manufacture
    1803761 Engine shipping
    1803751 Air filter…non production

    Chassis:

    1908745 Service brakes
    1862105 (Experimental/non production) Cable brake actuation
    1799292 Brake cross shaft/central linkage
    1937988 Brake cross shaft
    1955454 Brakes
    1793920 Another experimental…Floater?
    1873568 Brake drum forming and rolling
    1772481 Totally non-production version of brakes
    1850006 Early brake design
    1803059 Speedometer drive
    1862099 AA intermediate shaft
    1810195 Spare lock
    1781503 Radical non production chassis design
    1716637 Gear manufacture –production or experimental?
    1840881 1931 radiator shell
    1763847 Bumpers and bracketry
    Body:
    1783501 Windshield ventilator
    1873607 Upholstery button retainer
    1876923 Body polishing head
    1998614 Hood pad
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    Wow, glory for the day when you could patent a snap together grill shell!!! Great finds Bruce.
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    WOW!

    I was in a yard outside Junction City, Kansas when I spotted an unusual independent front suspension set-up on a car in the older (1930s) GM area. I have no clue what the car was but I just spent an hour searching Patents and found these,

    Air Bags (2133279)
    Split I-beams w/ rack and pinion (2085006)
    Unibody construction (2157649)
    and a weird style clothes pin (2166884)

    There are loads more all from just typing "Suspension" in the search bar and with the years specified as 1900-1940
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    this one is good

    2123005

    37 ford rear engine..

    as is this

    2269451
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    and I find this highly interesting

    2497276
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    Some pictures to contrast

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  7. Bruce Lancaster
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    One of the neat things about searching Ford stuff is that you bump into both Trimotor period and WWII aviation stuff, wild experimental engines (Flat, 2 stroke, opposed piston, FI, OHC...) and the reallydamnwild stuff that was considered for the Zephyr line, not just the expected flatheadiana. Ford was actually messing with 4-wheel independent torsion bar suspension as his next paradigm shift, but then he up and died and Ford hired a regiment of GM managers to replace him...
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    Just when I thought the internet was becoming stale... This is awesome!! Thanks.
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    This is the biggest pile of gearhead reading on the internet!
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    bruce

    you'll know this answer.

    I have a ford latch.. thats pat# 1.771.737

    which I found in the database however the image of the latch is wrong..

    then I noticed a RE- 19.223

    which I think is a reissued patent?

    is there a way to search the RE? and does that indicate that the patent was reissued?
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    Where is the RE number? Couldn't spot it. Noticed Serial number...wonder what searching that would do??

    I'd start by searching all possible forms and spacings of those numbers...
    Then I'd go to advanced Google and search Reissued patents (with searches recognizing the possible spacing after RE too), including one search limited to .gov domain in hope of finding patent office explanation. Then find actual patent office home page...there will be some sort of contact info, and with luck you'll connect to a super-geek who knows every wrinkle in the nomenclature.

    That can be found typed thus RE19223...still don't see it in original patent and have not figured out either meaning or linkage yet!
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    I love the first line in some of the descriptions: "*** of simple and durable construction"
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    Damn, that's a cool site! Lots of other neat stuff in there as well.
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    The aftermarket of course is in there...try people names, company names, and such as assignee or inventor...and fo many things, natural language that does NOT work for Ford Motor co. stuff works fine in the aftermarket: Ford V-8, Ford V8, Model A Ford and variants, etc.
    Some finds:
    2550223 Fifty HAMBers wouyld buy this at once...
    2362493 Dude, do you mean"supercharger" or "Choke"??
    2507747 He got a patent for THAT?? It had already been in German Ford trucks for 15 years, and people MADE them out of old coils...
    2139666 Been there...
    2354778 Get your flathead ready for the gas crisis!
    2568788 See...you're not the first one to break that thing!
    2298408 Poor bastard patented this just as Ford went to bolt-on...
    2279190 Fram patents the 45 degree angle!
    3559397 Who's Bernard J. Navarro??
    1699260 Ed WHO?
    2074487 Not a flathead...not...
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    1. HAMB Old Farts' Club
    2. Lacquer lovers unite!

    I have a complete set of patent books from the year 1940 and I really haven't searched much, but I guess I will now.
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    yeah where are the 3 window mercs or shoebox fords

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    3030819 O.V. Edelbrock Jr. - Linkage for multiple carburetor installation.

    3470690 Marion!?!? L. Thompson - Exhaust Header

    2846988 Edward Iskenderian - Guide means for non-rotatable valve lifters
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    Very neat site..........I sense a "rain day" of searching.

    Chris Nelson
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    Thanks for that!! What a killer find!
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    dude soo cool, love all the drawings neat find
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    Too cool man. I could spend days reading all those patents. Seeing how inovative old Henry was just blows my mind.
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    I don't remember all the details of the story, but at one time you had to submit a working model of whatever it was you wanted to patent. This caused a big storeage problem at the patent office. Some paper pusher desided since "EVERYTHING" had been invented there was no need to make working models. Wonder what year that was?
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    Mercedes benz had independent front suspension that uses 2 sets of leafs one on top of the other and the springs were also the control arms.

    Rear was independent as well, circa 1920's
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    Everything new is old again!

    Now I'm going to have to hear how airbags and that weird split I-beam/tube front axle are 'traditional'... and they'll have the patents with dates to back up the arguement!!!!! :eek:

    Damn you Google!!!!


    :D:D:D
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    Pandora's box!
  27. Bruce Lancaster
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    I'd like wallpaper made out of old patent drawings...so much neat detail everywhere.
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    Just when I thought I'd run out of internet......this is too cool !!!!
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    So when does Bruce from Alliance Member to HAMB God? He and Doc earned it.

    Thanks for turning us on to this.
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    Here's a few things from Robert M. Roof (would love to see the head recast)...

    1301007 Roof 16 Valve DOHC Head
    1509611 Roof oiling system for OHC
    1561666 Roof Chain Drive for DOHC

    And one that's a little OT...

    1373432 Curtiss Valve Operating Mechanism (1921)

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