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History Bugattis at the Schlumpf collection - lots of photos.

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by James D, Jun 23, 2009.

  1. I was down at the Schlumpf collection in Mülhouse at the weekend and took a lot of pictures. Fascinating place and well worth a visit.

    Hopefully nobody will call OT on this thread - these really are some beautiful old race and road cars and it was fantastic to be able to get up close(ish) and check out the design and engineering. It´d be good to see some of old Monsieur Bugattis ideas turn up on hot rods - after all, his stuff always seemed to work pretty well for him - he must have been doing something right.

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    Art Deco/Nouveau/Psycho mascots from the collection...

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    Bugattis...

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    ...lots of Bugattis....

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    The "Tank"...
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    Bear with me, it´ll take a while to post these...
     
  2. Talbot...
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    Mathis with a 12 litre four banger!
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    So you thought T coupes looked a little strange...?
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    1923 Amilcar. Note the Hallock like screen.
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    Ferrari 250 LM for Ryan...
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  3. yamadafacka
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    i thought those were toys at first! thats way cool though
     
  4. Different kind of `32 three window...
    Sorry about the pictures - they don´t make it easy to photograph anything.
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    Alfa Romeos. Huge things these were...
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    Gordinis...
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  5. hugh m
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    Is this the group of cars that was hidden to the public until fairly recently? Those mascots are something. Looks like a neat post.
     
  6. Those old Bugattis are amazing.
     
  7. Motors...
    Bugatti straight eight.
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    Matra V12
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    Huge Panhard record car...
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    More Panhards. Real Sci Fi cars these are...
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    French mini Merc - a V8 60 powered Vedette.
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  8. boldventure
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    I recently read a story in a 2008 Automobile Quarterly about this collection. I have seen other stories about the place as well. Fantastic cars and good stories.
    Enjoyed your pictures!
     
  9. More blue cars...

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    Another Alfa.
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    Colossal Esders Royale roadster. 18´ long, 12.7 litre motor and 24" alloy wheels and very little interior space.:eek: This is sort of a replica, made from various left over parts and an engine that had been used in a train! (Bugatti used up unsold Royale parts in trains). It was never fitted with headlights. He didn´t want to drive it at night. So he didn´t!
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    And here are few pictures for those of you wanting to build your own Bugatti! There was a stripped down Atalante coupe in the lobby, so I took the opportunity to show you how they were put together. (My camera battery karked it at this point, so that was it!)

    Wonderful straight eight engine. This would push the car to over 100mph in the early thirties.Notice the very deep section chassis and hefty looking engine mounts.
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    Separate aluminium covered wooden firewall and very large rear engine mount that goes right around the gearbox. This isn´t ever going to flex!
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    Beautiful finned differential housing and the chassis gets even thicker at the back end so that the axle can pass through it. The rear springs are quarter elliptics that come forwards from the rear "spreader bar" and sideways movement is kept in check with friction shocks. Hopefully you can make it out on the second picture (though thats a different car - with chain drive). Interesting setup that I´ve never seen on a rod.
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    So there you are!
    Its a must see.
     
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  10. blitz
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    i just finished reading about some alfa race car from the late 20 with an ohv 6 that produced something like 125 hp. i love european race cars from the 1920 to late 1960 most of the people building them were as much hotrodders as anyone over here. same passion for going fast. just look at good ol Enzo building street cars to make money to go race thats what i think it was all about. dont worry the pictures look great, i mean how could you take a bad picture of the purest art there is.
     
  11. FiddyFour
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    forward mounted quarter elipticals in the rear... dig that crazy stack of leafs!

    thanks for posting these, some amazing cars... any more of the italian dancing horse cars?

    i got a thing for Ferrari as well
     
  12. Jarzenhotrods
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    Absolutely Beautiful...Thanks for posting....Some of those cars are quite amazing....
     
  13. WOW!!!!
    Thank you very much for posting that.
    B.
     
  14. JeffreyJames
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    Umm.....I'll take one of each thank you.

    Love these threads for sure.
     
  15. 60'shotrod
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  16. thebigdaddyo
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    OT!!?? This is car-guy internet porn! Thanks for the pics, I will never get there to see them in person.
     
  17. Mark H
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    Hi,James D.
    These are the headlamps I'm fitting to my Model A ,Marchal Aerolux.I believe they were fitted to the '36 or '37 Atalante Type 57C.Maybe other makes as well.
     

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  18. HotRodMicky
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    Sag mal James, wer hat Dir den Schlüssel zu meiner Garage gegeben???
    Das gibts doch nicht :)
     
  19. scootermcrad
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    WOW!!!! Just.... WOW!!!! Thank you for posting this!!!! I find all of this stuff very inspirational from not only a craftsmanship aspect but from an engineering aspect! Beautifully engineered! As craftsman of our own vehicles, there are just a ton of details in these cars we would should be paying attention to.

    Note to self: visit this collection if ever in Germany.
     
  20. Note to Scootermcrad - it´s in France!:D
    (but only just)
     
  21. scootermcrad
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    HAHAHAH!! :eek::eek: Oh yeah.... sorry. D'OH! I was looking at your Avatar and saw you were from Germany. Got all confused.

    Wow... good thing I didn't go to Germany, get there and find out it wasn't there. :rolleyes::D
     
  22. 63fdsnr
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    Thanks for the pictures - always good to see that collection. The cars displayed on gravel always seemed just right to me. And the old Paris street lights - very special place.
    Al
     
  23. Harry Bergeron
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    In the towns nearby German is commonly spoken since it was part of Germany at various times -- lots of german restaurants and names.

    I was there in the 1980s when it was still just a huge warehouse. The Schlumpf brothers were very rich industrialists, but went banko and fled to Switzerland their cash. Their local workers seized the warehouse, which had never been open to the public before.

    I think the French govt owns it now, and it has fewer Bugattis. At one time it was supposed to have owned a quarter of the world's supply.

    There's a locomotive museum in a nearby town, also worth seeing.
     
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  24. Solidaxel
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    Great Trip, thanks for the ride!!
     
  25. Beach Bum
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    I was there in 1988. They have improved the place quite a bit. When I saw it it was much the way the Sclumpf Brothers had left it, a non-descript warehouse. Amazing place. All of those lamp posts were custom made in bronze for the Schlumpfs. When I was there they only turned the lights on for 5 minutes every hour because it was so expensive. Many of the cars, especially many of the non-French race cars are there on loan. The Schlumpfs were primarily interested in Bugatti and other French makes. They literally wanted to own every Bugatti still in existance at the time and I think they got to over 30%.

    Cheers,
    Kurt O.
     
  26. alsancle
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    Bugattis are never OT on the Hamb from what I can tell. That yellow 3 window coupe is the best.
     
  27. I have always loved the Type 35 Bugatti's. In fact I helped my younger brother make a pinewood derby car carved like a 35 and he won all of his races. That was 40 years ago and he still has the car.
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  28. Simply amazing. I love those European cars almost as much as I love Hot Rods. Great pics and thank you for posting!
     
  29. If those 35B Bugatti's aren't a Hot Rod, then I don't know what is.
    Absolutely amazing, what a collection !!!
     
  30. miller91
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    I love these threads, and they provide such cool inspiration for builds of all kinds. Some HAMBers seem to want to have a very narrow focus for some reason. Despite this, it's a fun blog! More Bugs...
     

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