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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by southcentraldodge, Feb 18, 2011.

  1. southcentraldodge
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    i just got a 47 dodge 5 window coupe,and need advice on a frame swap,i know i can use long bed dakota frames as well as s 10 frames.my friend got a 89 camaro thats willing to "donate" will this year work fine because i was told that 79 was latest it will work, thanks any advice or help will really be apprecieted:confused::confused:
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    The steering box is the first problem you may have with the Camaro
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    yeah thats what i heard, will i have that problem if cut the front clip (if it works with the 89 camaro)and weld it to the dodge frame?
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    I don't see a reason why you would'nt want to do that... Width and and wheel base is all ya gotta worry about. Well that and the location of the steering gear box
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    not even close. it is not anything like a 2nd gen camaro and uses struts. what direction do you want to go with this build? there are options that are less work.
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    an 89 camaro doesn't have a "real" frame...
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    cool, so for now my best option is to used a s 10 frame, i been looking for one but they just hard to come by as parts trucks, thats why i was thinking on using my friends maro,but thats just to much unnessary work i guess, you guys now any links to past tech advise with piuctures, thanks
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    Whats wrong with the frame that belongs to the car? If its intact and not bent or rotted away, you can upgrade the brakes and add a rack & pinion steering pretty easy. Its a lot easier to bolt stuff on then it is to hack up the frame. Gene
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    The original frame has independent suspension way beefier than an S10 and all it needs is a shock relocation kit and a bigger sway bar, plus a disk brake upgrade. No cutting required.

    And if you feel you still want a clip go with a dodge dakota, it's perfect for your application........are you putting in a sbc? That is the only reason for using an S10 clip I can think of.:eek:
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    yeah, i got a sbc,and auto trans thats going into it,thats why i was thinking of an up grade to disk brakes and power steering.What year dakota can i use,also the frame i got is bent and i got it with no rear end.
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    Use what you got:)getting it back on the road is the main thing!
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    Wheelbase, front track, rear track

    [edit] American Motors


    • 100.0, 61.2, 60.2 -- 75 AMC Pacer
    [edit] GM Car


    • 122.0, 58.31,59.25 - 37 Buick Special
    • 126.0, 58.31,59.25 - 37 Buick Century
    • NA,,,, 59.1, 58.8 -- 68-74 Buick Apollo
    • NA,,,, 59.0, 58.8 -- 78-86 Buick Century
    • 111.0, 59.1, 59.7 -- 75 Buick Skylark
    • 115.0, 58.5, 60.0 -- 55-57 Chevy
    • 108.1, 58.7, 60.5 -- 67-69 Chevy Camaro (other source shows 1081/590/589)
    • 108.1, 60.4, 61.0 -- 70 Chevy Camaro
    • NA,,,, 61.3, 60.5 -- 76-80 Chevy Camaro Z-28, Pontiac Trans Am TA
    • 101.1, 60.7, N/A, -- 93-02 Chevy Camaro
    • 101.0, 60.7, 60.6 -- 86 Chevy Camaro IROC Z
    • 101.1, 60.7, 60.7 -- 98 Chevy Camaro
    • 112.3, 63.7, 64.1 -- 99 Chevy Camaro LS, LT
    • 112.3, 63.7, 63.7 -- 99 Chevy Camaro SS
    • 119.0, 62.5, 62.4 -- 65-70 Chevy Caprice
    • 121.5, NA,,, NA,, -- 71-76 Chevy Caprice coupe/sedan
    • 125.0, NA,,, 64.5 -- 71-76 Chevy Caprice station wagon
    • 116.0, NA,,, NA,, -- 77-90 Chevy Caprice
    • 115.9, 61.8, 60.7 -- 91-96 Chevy Caprice
    • 102.0, NA,,, NA,, -- 54 Chevy Corvette
    • NA,,,, 58.7, 59.5 -- 68-83 Chevy Corvette
    • NA,,,, 59.6, 60.4 -- 84-95 Chevy Corvette
    • 108.0, 58.5, 58.8 -- 78-88 Chevy Monte Carlo, Malibu, El Camino(117.1 wheelbase), Olds Cutlass, Pontiac Grand Prix
    • 111.0,59.8, 59.6 -- 68-74 Chevy Nova
    • 097.0, 54.7, 53.6 -- 71-77 Chevy Vega, 73-77 Pontiac Astre, 75-80 Chevy Monza, Buick Skyhawk, Olds Starfire, 76-80 Pontiac Sunbird
    • NA,,,, 58.9, 59.0 -- 78-86 Pontiac Grand Prix
    • 115.0, NA,,, NA,, -- 66 Pontiac GTO
    • NA,,,, 59.9, 59.6 -- 68-74 Pontiac GTO
    • 112.25, 57.5, 59.0 -- 39 Chevy knee action
    • 112.25, 56.375, 59.0 -- 39 Chevy I beam
    • 116.0, 57.6, 60.0 -- 42-48 Chevy
    [edit] GM Truck


    • 106.5, 64.5, 63.0 -- 73-91 Chevy Blazer 2WD
    • 106.5, 65.75, 62.75--73-91 Chevy Blazer 4WD
    • 131.5, 65.8, 62.7 -- 73-87 Chevy C-10, K-10
    • 131.5, 65.8, 62.7 -- 73-87 Chevy C-20, K-20, C30
    • 164.5, 65.8, 62.7 -- 73-91 Chevy C-30 Crew Cab
    • 129.5, 65.8, 62.7 -- 73-91 Chevy Suburban
    • 114.5, NA,,, NA,, -- 55 Chevy 2nd Series (1955 1st series was same as 54)
    • 116.0, 59.5, 60,, -- 47-54 Chevy AD 1/2 ton
    • 125.25,NA,,,,62,, -- 47-54 Chevy AD 3/4 ton
    • 137.0, NA,,, NA,, -- 47-54 Chevy AD 1 ton
    • 144.0, NA,,, NA,, -- 02 Chevy Silverado 1500 4WD
    • 102.4, NA,,, NA,, -- 72-80 Chevy LUV w/std cab and 731" box Unequal length A-arms with torsion bars was std front suspension on LUV
    • 104.3, NA,,, NA,, -- 81-82 Chevy LUV w std cab and 731" box Unequal length A-arms with torsion bars was std front suspension on LUV
    • 117.9, NA,,, NA,, -- 78-82 Chevy LUV w std cab and 901" box Unequal length A-arms with torsion bars was std front suspension on LUV
    • 100.5, 54.5, 54.7 -- 83-01 Chevy S-10 Blazer 2-dr, 83-01 GMC Jimmy 2-dr
    • 107.0, 54.5, 54.7 -- 90-01 Chevy S-10 Blazer 4-dr, 90-01 GMC Jimmy 4-dr
    • 108.3, 54.5, 54.7 -- 82-93 Chevy S-10 reg cab, 73" box, 82-93 GMC reg cab, 73" box STOCK Malibu and El Camino drop spindles are bolt-on
    • 117.9, 54.5, 54.7 -- 82-93 Chevy S-10 reg cab, 89" box, 82-93 GMC reg cab, 89" box
    • 122.9, 54.5, 54.7 -- 83-? Chevy S-10 ext cab, 83-?? GMC ext cab
    • 135.0, 67.8, 67.8 -- 08 Chevy Express Cargo 1500 Work Van
    [edit] Ford Car


    • 108 -- 64-68 Mustang
    • 096.2, 55.6, 55.8 -- 74-79 Ford Mustang II, Ford Pinto, Mercury Bobcat, Mercury Capri (have also seen track listed at 551/553)
    • 100.5, 56.6, 57.0 -- 86 Ford Mustang GT
    [edit] Ford Truck

    1953-1955

    • F100 1/2-ton - 110"
    • F250 3/4-ton - 118"
    • F350 3/4-ton - 130" (F350s were still classified as 3/4 ton trucks up through '55.)
    1956-1960

    • F100 1/2-ton SWB - 110"
    • F100 1/2-ton LWB - 118"
    • F250 3/4-ton - 118"
    • F350 1-ton - 130"
    1961-1963

    • F100 1/2-ton SWB - 114"
    • F100 1/2-ton LWB - 122"
    • F250 3/4-ton - 122"
    • F350 1-ton - 132"
    1964

    • F100 1/2-ton SWB - 114"
    • F100 1/2-ton LWB - 128"
    • F250 3/4-ton - 128"
    • F350 1-ton - 132"
    1965-1966

    • F100 1/2-ton SWB - 115"
    • F100 1/2-ton LWB - 129"
    • F250 3/4-ton - 129"
    • F250 3/4-ton CrewCab - 147"
    • F350 1-ton - 132"
    • F350 1-ton CrewCab - 152"
    1967-1968

    • F100 1/2-ton SWB - 115"
    • F100 1/2-ton LWB - 131"
    • F250 3/4-ton - 131"
    • F250 3/4-ton CrewCab - 147"
    • F350 1-ton - 132"
    • F350 1-ton CrewCab - 152"
    1969-1970

    • F100 1/2-ton SWB - 115"
    • F100 1/2-ton LWB - 131"
    • F250 3/4-ton - 131"
    • F250 3/4-ton CrewCab - 147"
    • F350 1-ton - 135"
    • F350 1-ton CrewCab - 159.5"
    1971

    • F100 1/2-ton SWB - 115"
    • F100 1/2-ton LWB - 131"
    • F250 3/4-ton - 131"
    • F250 3/4-ton CrewCab - 159"
    • F350 1-ton - 135"
    • F350 1-ton CrewCab - 159.5"
    1972

    • F100 1/2-ton SWB - 115"
    • F100 1/2-ton LWB - 131"
    • F250 3/4-ton - 131"
    • F250 3/4-ton CrewCab - 159"
    • F350 1-ton - 135"
    • F350 1-ton CrewCab - 159"
    1973

    • F100 1/2-ton SWB - 117"
    • F100 1/2-ton LWB - 133"
    • F250 3/4-ton - 133"
    • F250 3/4-ton CrewCab - 161"
    • F350 1-ton - 137"
    • F350 1-ton CrewCab - 165.5"
    1974

    • F100 1/2-ton SWB - 117"
    • F100 1/2-ton LWB - 133"
    • F100 1/2-ton Supercab LWB 6-ft bed - 140"
    • F100 1/2-ton Supercab LWB 8-ft. bed - 155"
    • F250 3/4-ton - 133"
    • F250 3/4-ton Supercab - 140"
    • F250 3/4-ton CrewCab - 155"
    • F350 1-ton - 137"
    • F350 1-ton Supercab - 140"
    • F350 1-ton Platform/Stake - 161"
    • F350 1-ton CrewCab - 166.5"
    1975

    • F100 1/2-ton SWB - 117"
    • F100 1/2-ton LWB - 133"
    • F100 1/2-ton Supercab 6-ft bed - 140"
    • F100 1/2-ton Supercab 8-ft. bed - 155"
    • F150 1/2-ton - 133"
    • F250 3/4-ton - 133"
    • F250 3/4-ton CrewCab - 155"
    • F350 1-ton - 137"
    • F350 1-ton Platform/Stake - 161"
    • F350 1-ton Supercab - 155"
    • F350 1-ton CrewCab - 166.5"
    1976

    • F100 1/2-ton SWB - 117"
    • F100 1/2-ton LWB - 133"
    • F100 1/2-ton Supercab - 155"
    • F150 1/2-ton - 133"
    • F250 3/4-ton - 133"
    • F250 3/4-ton CrewCab - 155"
    • F350 1-ton - 137"
    • F350 1-ton Supercab - 155"
    • F350 1-ton CrewCab - 166.5"
    1977

    • F100 1/2-ton SWB - 117"
    • F100 1/2-ton LWB - 133"
    • F100 1/2-ton Supercab - 155"
    • F150 1/2-ton - 133"
    • F150 Supercab - 155"
    • F250 3/4-ton - 133"
    • F250 3/4-ton CrewCab - 155"
    • F350 1-ton - 137"
    • F350 1-ton Supercab - 155"
    • F350 1-ton CrewCab - 166.5"
    1978-1979

    • F100 1/2-ton SWB - 117"
    • F100 1/2-ton LWB - 133"
    • F100 1/2-ton Supercab - 155"
    • F150 1/2-ton - 133"
    • F150 Supercab - 155"
    • F250 3/4-ton - 133"
    • F250 3/4-ton Supercab - 155"
    • F250 3/4-ton Crewcab - 155"
    • F350 1-ton - 137"
    • F350 1-ton Supercab - 155"
    • F350 1-ton CrewCab - 166.5"
    [edit] Mopar Car


    • 115.0, 61.9, 62.0 -- 75 Chrysler Cordoba
    • NA,,,, 58.9, 59.0 -- 75-79 Dodge Aspen, Plymouth Volare
    • 111.0, 59.2, 55.6 -- 67-76 Dodge Dart/Plymouth Scamp
    • 108.0, 59.2, 55.6 -- 70-76 Dodge Demon/Dartsport, Plymouth Duster
    [edit] Mopar Truck

    [edit] Miscellaneous Car


    • 105.0, 58.0, 58.0 -- 51 Cunningham C-1, C-2R
    • 107.0, 58.0, 58.0 -- 53 Cunningham C-3
    • 100.0, 54.0, 54.0 -- 52 Cunningham C-4R, C-4RK
    • 100.0, 55.0, 55.0 -- 53 Cunningham C-5R
    • 100.0, 52.0, 52.0 -- 55 Cunningham C-6R
    • 086.0, 50.5, 50.3 -- 48-74 Morris Minor


    [edit] Axle to axle, rear differential

    [edit] GM Car


    • 58.0 -- 78-88 Mid sized GM Car, Malibu, Monte Carlo (82 up Metric Studs), Regal with 10-bolt, 65-67 Nova
    • 59.0 -- 68-83 Corvette
    • 60.0 -- 55-64 Chevy, 67-69 Camaro, 64-67 Chevelle, 68-74 Nova, 84-95 Corvette
    • 62.0 -- 64-77 Chevelle, 89 Trans Am


    [edit] GM Truck


    • 58.0 ---S-10
    • 60.5 -- 64-69 1/2 ton 2wd Chevy, Some GMC 6 lug rear end 12 bolt Coil spring set-up


    [edit] Ford Car


    • 56.5 -- 71-77 Ford Maverick 8"
    • 57.0 -- 71-74 V-8 Mavericks 8", All '75-77 6's & 8's Maverick 5 Lug 8", 49-51 Ford, 57-59 Ford 9"
    • 57.25 -- 64 1/2-65 Mustang
    • 58.0 -- 80 Granada & Lincoln Versailles, 67-70 Mustang/Cougar/Fairlane
    • 58.5 -- Granada (year unknown)
    • 60.0 -- 71-73 Mustang/Cougar
    • 62.0 -- 73-76 Torino
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    thanks birdbuilder for that info, iam print it and keep ti for reference
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    An S10 is too hard to find for parts? Are you kidding? You can't swing a dead cat and not hit an old S10 pickup around here. Unless your frame is rusted, smashed, or missing, your "...best option..." would be rebuild the brakes and suspension of the frame the body is sitting on. These drive nice, have reasonably good brakes, and best of all, they fit the body.

    Where did the idea that an S10 pickup frame swap come from anyway? You'll have to modify the floor (if there's any left in your car), build body mounts, shorten or lengthen the frame, and then you still have to fabricate engine mounts, trnas mounts, and so forth.

    Brian
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    I never get these frame swaps... for the time it takes a person to rework an entire car and a random mini truck chasis they could have easily found a factory frame, upgraded it a bit and slid it under...

    With all the aftermarket upgrades available why not use the factory frame? how bent is your frame? I'd think a competent frame/alignment shop could straighten it...

    Plus if you decide to sell the car later.. I'd think a car on it's original frame, instead of some cobbled swap job would be worth a bit more...
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    Ditto left turn!!
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    Why not just put your sbc in the camaro and drive that??

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    it is still easier to straighten a frame than swap one. bolting a rear to leaf springs is still easier than a frame swap. this is one of those times to step back and look at the overall picture.
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    Its a good time to step away from the computer and pick up a wrench.

    That said I did slide an S-10 chassis under a '53 F-100. I had the chassis and got the F-100 sans chassis. But in retrospect it would have been a better choice to build a chassis for the ford than to use the S-10 chassis.
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    el camino frame work great, check out my albums
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    nice ride and cool pics,i had 51 chevy 2 dr deluxe but i always wanted a fleetline.
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    Another I don't get it reply. You have an independent front suspension a frame that is boxed back to the firewall, your pulling out a 750 pound engine and trans, and putting in something lighter. there are at least three brake upgrade packageds available, a mopar B body rear end will swap in with minimal work to the spring pads. Plus you don't need to measure , don't need to fab body mounts, and front sheetmetal mounting points. And you are riding on a passenger car frame that is probably stronger than the S10 truck junk. If you feel the need to clip the front use an early Dakota.

    Chrysler was famed for over engineering stuff and they did that in these car's frames.

    But your money your car. Your choice, oh by the way how many frame swaps do you have on you resume.

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