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1955 Chevy VIN - Can anyone help me?

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  1. specsintexas
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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> I am Texas resident in the process of buying a 1955 Chevy from a fellow Texan. The VIN on the title does not match the VIN tag on the driver’s door post. The VIN on the title is T219411. I am told that in Texas the VIN on all 1955 and earlier Chevys is the motor number of the vehicle. The motor currently in the car is not the original motor block (no surprise there). The current owner of the 1955 Chevy tells me that the VIN (T219411) is an assigned number from the state of Texas. I cannot find the VIN shown on the title anywhere on the car. I checked with the Texas DOT (DMV) and in fact the car owner shown on the Texas title is in fact the person who is selling me the car and the license plate number shown on the title matches the license plate on the car. Is there a problem here and should I walk away from this deal.
    Anybody have a 1955 Chevy out there with this same situation?
     
  2. An assigned VIN usually means a sticker somewhere on the car, in the doorjam or elsewhere. Texas DMV probably can tell you where they put them.
     
  3. squirrel
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    See if the seller will get the title fixed....if he won't, then don't buy it. It's his problem.

    In AZ the assigned VIN will be on the title, and also on a state issued sticker on the car.
     
  4. 40Standard
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    shouldn't it be a metal tag on the firewall and drivers side inside door pillar?
     
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  5. hotrodchevy
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    originals on firewall tag and inside "A" pillar at windshield height. every one i've owned.
     
  6. bobwop
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    that does look like an engine number. T meant Tonawanda, NY engine plant.

    but it seems to me that most States were using serial numbers for identification prior to 1955. If Texas was still doing so in 1955, then somebody at your Motor Vehicle department should be able to confirm that.
     
  7. 325w
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    Texas was a motor number title in 55. Tax office DMV can fix it if they will. Maybe a trip to their office with the owner and they can fix it.
     
  8. brad chevy
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    If the seller refuses to go to Dmv with you to get the paperwork done I would not buy it.
     
  9. nitrohonkey
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    Original VIN is on the drivers a pillar on a sedan and in the drivers door jam on a hard top or convert...dead give away is it says Chevrolet. Cowl tag is just for trim.
     
  10. Rogueman
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    There is not a problem! Buy the car and have fun.
    I have owned many 55 chevys. In Texas the title is by the motor not the body. I had a 55 once that went though Pubic Auction. The State made me do a stencil on the motor. I have that motor now in my shop. The car is long sold.
     
  11. Edelbroke
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    Is the original VIN plate in the drivers door jamb?

    I have this exact same issue with a tri 5 from Missouri. I however am not passing the buck to the next guy.

    My car has the original vin plate on the car. Its not been tampered with. And I found the hidden vin on the frame. The WI DOT has a procedure to fix it.

    1. Form: MV3623 Public Vehicle Identification Number Certification.
    Filled out by the owner and a police officer to inspect the vin and sign off that it
    hasnt been tampered with.
    2. They asked for a letter from the guy I bought the car from stating that a motor ID
    number was placed on the title by mistake.
    3. Mailed all in with the normal forms required to title a vehicle.

    4. Corrected title with the original vin mailed back

    Get the guy to do this that you want to buy it from. Otherwise it might as well be a parts car.
     
  12. Edelbroke
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    This is BAD advice:rolleyes:
     
  13. Larry T
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    The tag office here told me that in 1955 Fords were registered by frame numbers, Chevys by engine numbers.
    If the title number is an assigned number, there should be a tag on the car with the number on it. There is no way that I would buy a titled car that didn't have a number on the car that matched the title. If you really want the car and the seller really wants to sell it, I think you need to go to the tag office together to get the paper work straightened out.
    Larry T
     
  14. squirrel
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    The problem is something the seller needs to deal with on his own, the buyer should not be involved until there is a valid title to the car.
     
  15. Rogueman
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    It's not bad advise! 55 was by the motor 56 was the first year that they went by the door. If the motor is gone from the car or it has been changed the title will not match the car. The door post will however tell you if the car came with a V8 or a six. I use to part 55-57s back in the 80s and I have many of those door tags.
     
  16. Edelbroke
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    The engine number on his title means nothing to anybody outside the state of Texas (and anybody in Texas anymore) and in no way ties the title to the car. That may be how they used to do it there but it isnt how it was widely done across the country. The number on the title has to match the number on the car. Whether it be an affixed VIN plate by an authorized agency or the original VIN.

    There is NO way around it.
     
  17. outlaw256
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    man that sounds like a mess the seller has to fix not the buyer.tell him if he can get #s to match youll take it,if not let it go.
     
  18. Gee, poster and seller are in Texas. Seems like a relatively simple issue to correct, maybe they have to have someone inspect the car for the serial on it to change the title, seller should be able to get that done. All this stuff for other states is irrelevant.
     
  19. stovebolter46
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    talking to the dot usually means arguing with someone who doesnt speak good english
     
  20. Rogueman
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    Again I'm telling you there is not a problem. If you are that worried about it, Have the motor that is in the car stenciled with that number. Man has clear title,State says man has clear title, Man has plates to that title.
    I understand that anyone can steal a 55 and put that title on it.

    I have a 55 chevy I bought in 1983 it has never had a motor other than the original in it, but the original is long gone. There are no numbers on that car that will prove the title I have is the correct one. I know that it is and would have no problem putting the car on the road.
     
  21. pasadenahotrod
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    I have never seen a Texas assigned number car that didn't have a Texas assigned number TAG screwed or pop-riveted onto the car somewhere. A car without a matching number it to the number on the title is NOT the car on the paperwork. That's the way it is. It may actually be the right car but without the tag it isn't.
     
  22. Edelbroke
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    I'm not worried about it. I'm not in Texas buying that car. (I wouldnt buy it because it has no title) Unless it was priced as a parts car as im always looking really really really good deals on tri 5's.

    A title without a car with numbers on it that match the title is a worthless peice of paper. What's so hard to understand about that? No matter what state your in!
     
  23. brad chevy
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    Rogueman,that crap might fly in podunk Texas,but if you sell that car to somebody from another state the title you have is worthless because most states we have to have title,registration and numbers matchiing on car verified and it doesn't get titled until this is done. Now maybe that clears it up. Example I buy a Model T from Georgia which didn't have titles in 1927. Seller has last registration.. I buy it ,bring it to Florida,Have to have the paperwork and car verified. Cop comes out,and oh shit,original motor is gone so can't vertify numbers. I am stuck with a parts car.
     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2011
  24. john~N~dallas
    Joined: Dec 30, 2009
    Posts: 428

    john~N~dallas
    Member

    my 54 title does not match what is on the door, title matches the plates, title matches the block thats cracked sitting in my garage. plates match the sticker from last registration 2001. if the dmv says your good to go your good to go.... if they say you are not then you are not... IMO
     
  25. parker1
    Joined: Mar 1, 2011
    Posts: 1

    parker1
    Member
    from utah

    there is a vin on the right top of the frame rail right under the drivers seat you will need a mirror to read it Ron
     
  26. cb1
    Joined: May 31, 2007
    Posts: 326

    cb1
    Member
    from Wisconsin

    If you want some fun reading, go the the Packard car sight. My 1949 Packard could have been titled with four (4) different numbers that are on the car depending what state the car was sold in. The is the engine stamped number, which is used by CA and TX and some others, then there is the security number (huge numbers rolled into the firewall), then there is the Packard number on a tag on the top of the firewall, and last there is another body tag with a number on the firewall. Mine, was bought in Ill 2 years ago with a numbers matching title to the engine number. I sent the title in to WI and they gave me a WI title with the engine number. I don't think (WI DOT) is going to let you change or create a number. So with that said, we are going to put a 455 olds in the Packard and keep the flathead 8 in storage for as long as we have the car. I don't see a way around it. In WI, at least for me, a title is more important than having a actual car. I can get any title in my name thought the mail without anyone seeing a actual car. On the other hand, I have been unsuccessful (3 times) in getting a title for a car that I did not get a title when I bought it. I even had a bill of sale from a dealer (out of state). WI DOT told me that just because I bought a car without a title, doesn't mean we (DOT) have to give you one. Exact words. I even had the State Patrol verify the VIN number and a written statement from the State Patrol that the car was not stollen...

    cb1
     
  27. oldsman41
    Joined: Jun 25, 2010
    Posts: 412

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    make sure you get this straight before you buy the car. i know in ohio that would go through hell if you buy a car without a good title
     
  28. xracer40
    Joined: Jun 20, 2010
    Posts: 208

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    Member

    First,that T219411 number is not a 55 chevy engine no.
    55 engine numbers followed this format.

    <TABLE id=AutoNumber1 style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#111111 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=494 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=494 colSpan=3>1954 - 1957 Engines
    </TD></TR><TR><TD width=494 colSpan=3>[​IMG]

    </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>​

    <CENTER><TABLE id=AutoNumber1 style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#111111 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=494 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=494 colSpan=7></TD></TR><TR><TD width=494 colSpan=7>
    Unit Numbers: start with 1001 at each plant.

    </TD></TR><TR><TD width=494 colSpan=7>
    </TD></TR><TR><TD width=216 colSpan=3>
    Plant Designations:

    </TD><TD width=91>
    </TD><TD width=187 colSpan=3>
    Model Year:

    </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=51>F</TD><TD width=14></TD><TD width=152>Flint, Michigan</TD><TD width=58></TD><TD align=right width=73>54</TD><TD align=right width=69>1954</TD><TD align=middle width=78></TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=51>T</TD><TD width=14></TD><TD width=152>Tonawanda, New York</TD><TD width=58></TD><TD align=right width=73>55</TD><TD align=right width=69>1955</TD><TD align=middle width=78></TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=51></TD><TD width=14></TD><TD width=151></TD><TD width=58></TD><TD align=right width=73>56</TD><TD align=right width=69>1956</TD><TD align=middle width=78></TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=51></TD><TD width=14></TD><TD width=151></TD><TD width=58></TD><TD align=right width=73>57</TD><TD align=right width=69>1957</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER>
    Second- You say the vin no. tag is still on the door post.
    It should not be difficult for the seller to get a new title made using the original vin no.

    Third- If you buy this car and later want to sell someone out of state you will have nothing but trouble.

    Fourth- Insurance 1- getting coverage without the right vin no. would likely be difficult at best. 2-In the event of some kind of major loss,you could not prove the car is the one currently titled. Insurance may refuse to pay a claim.

    Fifth- Don't make the seller's problem,your problem!
    If he is not willing to get a new title made using the vin no. on the door post,walk away.
     
  29. 55gasserkid
    Joined: Dec 9, 2007
    Posts: 1,614

    55gasserkid
    Member

    Decide on your gut. That is what I would do. If it bothers you then make sure things are right before the deal is done.
    J
     
  30. DD COOPMAN
    Joined: Jul 25, 2009
    Posts: 1,119

    DD COOPMAN
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