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Old 12-23-2005, 08:47 PM   #1
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Default Scratch-built '32 roadster body







Those crazy Swedes are at it again. Here's a look at what four second-level students at Lazze Jansson's metalshaping school built in four days.

http://allshops.org/cgi-bin/communit...=9980212138539

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Old 12-23-2005, 08:51 PM   #2
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were is this school and how much does it cost pm me please thanks
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Old 12-23-2005, 08:53 PM   #3
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Very talented lads! I only wished I had a fraction of the talant that was needed to build something like that! Very cool!
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Old 12-23-2005, 08:55 PM   #4
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I must go practice more.
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:03 PM   #5
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Oh to be young and have the chance to learn this stuff again, it is so cool to see young guys making cars I thought were kool in my day, and to make them in steel that nice is amazing... congrats guys ............keep it going for many more yrs..
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The school's site is at http://lazze.us/

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Old 12-23-2005, 09:10 PM   #7
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What I would give to go to one of these classes.
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:16 PM   #8
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Well with any luck poorboy and shitbox will go to school some day. They should do splendid with the fine names they've picked for themselves.

Anyway, the work is pretty outstanding.
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:17 PM   #9
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:23 PM   #10
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Wow, that is awesome! Thanks for sharing! Makes me want to partisipate...
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:40 PM   #11
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I have always wanted to learn how to do shit like that. 4 days thats impresive.

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Old 12-23-2005, 10:29 PM   #12
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Old 12-23-2005, 11:06 PM   #13
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Dave,
That truely is some awesome work, 4 days is down right insane! I noticed he used Lars' inner door panels. I am sure that made things go quicker.
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Old 12-23-2005, 11:11 PM   #14
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Hey,

If ya think the 32 Roadster is killer, be sure ta check out the Willys
3-window they have built( several of them) in aluminum.
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Old 12-23-2005, 11:12 PM   #15
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Since I just passed my math class, I'm gonna do some.

365 days in a year, minus 104 weekend days, divided by 4 days equals 62.25...

Lets round that to 62 and multiply that by $5000.00 each for a repop '32 roadster bodies

$310,000 minus materials

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Old 12-24-2005, 12:27 AM   #16
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That must be a Swedish Wheel they use, lot quicker than an English Wheel. Where can I get one? That shop has too much open space and looks too clean to work in.
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Old 12-24-2005, 12:40 AM   #17
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"Lazze's Wheeling Machine is constructed and produced for forming sheet from scratch without the need of prior hammering out of the sheet on a sandbag."

Well gee that would certainly cut my time in half and keep the neighbors happy too.
Of course $13,500 for the three machines he sellswould take a body or two to re-coupe

Wonder what a class could put out in four days at Fay Butler's?

Still pretty damn impressive!
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So how did they figure dimentions? Was there a buck or other car the worked off of to test sizing and fit?
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Old 12-24-2005, 02:09 AM   #19
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See what you can do with some steel and sweat?

Anyone reading this in America crying about making ends meet needs to pay attention.
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Old 12-24-2005, 06:44 AM   #20
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I'm impressed!,,,,a talented teacher and students that WANT to learn and not want to watch somebody do the work! HRP
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Old 12-24-2005, 07:11 AM   #22
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WOW......just wow!!!!!!! 4 days........
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Old 12-24-2005, 09:48 AM   #23
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If you visit the website, you'll see the classes are reasonably priced. I'm gonna show this to my son, who cant make up his mind about what he wants to do, whenever he wakes up.
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So how did they figure dimentions? Was there a buck or other car the worked off of to test sizing and fit?
Hey,

I can't say for the 32s, but when they were buildin the Willys they had an
actual steel Willys to measure and do take-offs from.
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Old 12-24-2005, 03:25 PM   #25
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That work is amazing. And what scarylarry said is really funny.
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Old 12-24-2005, 03:48 PM   #26
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"Lazze's Wheeling Machine is constructed and produced for forming sheet from scratch without the need of prior hammering out of the sheet on a sandbag."

Well gee that would certainly cut my time in half and keep the neighbors happy too.
Of course $13,500 for the three machines he sellswould take a body or two to re-coupe

Wonder what a class could put out in four days at Fay Butler's?

Still pretty damn impressive!
You can build you own EWheel and cetainly get the rest if the needed setuo much cheaper than $13,500.
The classes are only $1350

Not too bad overall for what it seems you get.
After taking the classes you can build a Rothesque car out of METAL!

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Old 12-24-2005, 07:25 PM   #27
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So how did they figure dimentions? Was there a buck or other car the worked off of to test sizing and fit?

I downloaded the free video (about an hour on dial up) and they had a car to lay each part on to check fit and size but one thing I noticed was they did each part in several smaller pieces. A fender could have been 8 or 10 parts welded together to make one shape. I don't think one guy made a whole body in 4 days but maybe the whole class working on the same body with who knows how many students may have done it. I also noticed that they said 50% of the class were beginners and 50% were pro's so that would help a lot also. Still cool to see and everyone should download the free video from the web site they have and pause it in several places and look close at the work they are doing to see the welds.

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Old 12-24-2005, 07:50 PM   #28
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Old 12-24-2005, 08:23 PM   #29
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Its a bit more than $1350 for the class, read the fine print.

Step 1 is 3 days
Step 2 is 5 days
Step 3 not listed yet

Price is $450 per day which comes to $3600

Now, since the average class student has a retention rate around 10-12% (national averages) what are you going to remember a month later? This assumes that you dont go immediately from class to a fully equipped shop.

I think the school concept is great and the potential is there but dont expect to be producing bodies and have your own TV show the first year!
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The retention rate will depend largely on the teacher and student.

Lazze was teaching students make Aluminum '40 Willys before they
were available commercially.He has since moved to California and
switched the classes over to making '32 Ford Roadsters in steel.There
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Old 12-25-2005, 02:18 PM   #31
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So is Covell or any of the other people procuding videos selling them as downloadable videos?
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Old 12-25-2005, 03:09 PM   #32
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Yes other metal man names are making their own videos at about $60 bucks a piece. They can really add up, but they are really in depth and of good quality. Lazze's vids are cheap and short, at about 10 mins each, but I really enjoyed watching them. The classes are always a good idea, as they say, you can learn something new every day. It's up to each person to pay attention and absorb what you can. I for one wouldn't mind taking the class just to be able to build and watch a '32 being made in a week!
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Old 12-25-2005, 04:09 PM   #33
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Hey,

Not ta E-wheel over anyones thumbs, but if you're into learnin metalshapin,
and ya haven't got 3-4K ta smoke, or there's no way ya could get loose for
the three or four days, ta take the class try the online sites: www.metalshapers and the metalmeet site. It's a great time ta be around,
as most of the information is FREE on these sites. For years, ya couldn't get
this kinda info unless ya were chained ta indentured servitude, but today it's
your's for the click of a button. Jus' duck the adult sandbox and political bull-
shit, and enjoy. WARNING!, don't cuss my ass out if ya wind up spendin as
much time, or more on these sites as ya now do on the HAMB.

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Old 12-25-2005, 05:05 PM   #34
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The retention rate will depend largely on the teacher and student.
While in the US Navy Ive taught everything from electronics, demolition, firefighting and Morse code for almost 20 years. In civilian life Ive taught several computer courses from component level repair to basic trouble shooting analysis.

Motivation is a tremendous asset but a prerequisite must be the ability to understand and absorb new terminology and concepts that the student has not been exposed to prior except maybe in magazines or on HAMB style Internet forums.
Before taking an advanced metalshaping course Id suggest spending serious time on the Metalshapers web site as previously mentioned as an absolute minimum. If the student really wants to consider a career in the hot rod art then enroll at Wyotech or a similar level curriculum to get properly qualified for the next level. Realize that math will include geometry and trig once you get beyond the basics.

If only this level of education was around when I was a teenager my life may very well have taken a different course!
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Old 12-25-2005, 05:09 PM   #35
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Now that's a nice shop, now that's a nice shop, now that's a nice shop. Somebody slap me. I could toss a coin between jerkin a load over that VS. Annabella Sciorra. Who am i kidding, nice shop, but Annabella, it's all you!
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Annabella Sciorra
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Now that's a nice shop, now that's a nice shop, now that's a nice shop. Somebody slap me. I could toss a coin between jerkin a load over that VS. Annabella Sciorra. Who am i kidding, nice shop, but Annabella, it's all you!
Annabella Sciorra?
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I talked to him a couple of years ago at the Nats. He was setup selling his english wheels, etc.

Pretty nice guy, when he told me that his students were making duece roadster bodies in a week, I thought he was full of shit.

I guess that I was wrong.
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If you go to the page with the equipment for sale, at the bottom, in fine pint they mention:

"PLEASE NOTE: We sell to students or members only, in order to ensure correct handling of the machine."

So you have to either take the class to learn to use the machine (somewhat understandable, Id take the class, then go buy a more affordable machine), or...

you can pay him an $89 yearly fee to be a member, and that makes you just as qualified...


Seems a bit rediculous to me.
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Old 12-26-2005, 03:45 AM   #39
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I have a freind just a mile from here, who is around 60 years, he went to those classes and had so much fun he could`t believe it.
Very nice place and people, the only thing he wasn`t too happy about was some of the students wich had some crazy idea of them knowing more about everything than Lars himself does.. it allways slows down a class..

He has some nice roadster quarter panels that he made in that class.
Very nice quality..
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They are doing awsome metal shaping work, Im still glad i went to Wyotech cuase nto only did learn metal shaping (probably not on the leve Lazze teaches) i alos learned frame construction suspension set up engines and electrical.

I alos got ATRA (automatic transsimission rebuliders ascoitation) certifed, Alldata certfied and EPA AC cert as well.

But if all you want to do is metal shaping that looks kick ass.
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Old 12-26-2005, 09:25 AM   #41
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So what is the magic ruber band, is this how he keeps the metal from geting scratched thats all i can think cause all those panals are beatifull.
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WOW.... like my dad always used to say..... it's all about the tools. Those guys have all the tools and a great deal of talent to boot!
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Old 12-26-2005, 06:13 PM   #43
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Very impressive!

I honestly wish i had the scratch to lay down for the classes..
I'd love to attend..

Maybe someday.
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all the talent and promoting in the world doesn't mean jack shit unless you start producing bodies that people have paid in advance for !
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Old 12-26-2005, 06:58 PM   #45
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wow... looks like they know how to keep their shops clean, too... lol...
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Fabulously talented students but think how talented the teachers are ....
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Old 12-27-2005, 10:02 AM   #47
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So, after completing an 11 day course, I'll be able to in a few days do what I've watched an experienced metal man take 1.5 years to do? Cool!

Or wait, how many 11 day couses have those 4 guys taken?

Oh well, they have a nice shop and they sell nice jackets.
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So you have to either take the class to learn to use the machine (somewhat understandable, Id take the class, then go buy a more affordable machine), or...

you can pay him an $89 yearly fee to be a member, and that makes you just as qualified...


Seems a bit rediculous to me.
Lazzes' wheeling machine is by far the best one available! And his bead roller is about a million times better than anything else on the market. I wish I had either one.
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The rubber band is to keep track marks to a minimum while forming quickly. Some people use go-cart tires as the top wheel for the same reason.


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So what is the magic ruber band, is this how he keeps the metal from geting scratched thats all i can think cause all those panals are beatifull.
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They are doing awsome metal shaping work, Im still glad i went to Wyotech cuase nto only did learn metal shaping (probably not on the leve Lazze teaches) i alos learned frame construction suspension set up engines and electrical.

I alos got ATRA (automatic transsimission rebuliders ascoitation) certifed, Alldata certfied and EPA AC cert as well.

But if all you want to do is metal shaping that looks kick ass.
You should take Lazze's course as well. No trainging is ever meant to be the only thing that you will ever need in life. Lazze takes a totally different approach to shaping than what you do here (Wyotech). We have been greatly influenced by Fay's teachings and tend to use methods he has introduced us to.
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Old 12-27-2005, 11:26 AM   #51
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hi guys.

the rubber band (used like a go-kart slick) is used for BENDING not stretching , the rubber band or kart slick will not make a compound curve.
i disagree that lazze`s wheel is the best by far, it looks to be a good wheel (overpriced for sure) but i`d put a imperial, www.wheelingmachines.com up against lazze`s.
lazze`s bead roller really is a thing of beauty, but again his prices are outrageous.
not to knock anything about lazze; his products appear to be well made, he seems to have a good reputation, his students (and him) have built some great things, but.... you can learn everything that he teaches at metalmeet for next to nothing. if you attend metalmeet in illinois you can get hands on for up to 7 days for 100$ registration whether you stay 1 day or all 7.
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Old 12-27-2005, 11:16 PM   #52
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i disagree that lazze`s wheel is the best by far[QUOTE]

Okay, It's the best by just a little bit.
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:23 AM   #53
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hi brickster,

i`d like to see an e-wheel comparison with each builder stressing the reasons for his design and why his is better. for example; one is a kick wheel adjuster , one is a upper adjuster. one has anvils with contacts, one has a true radius set. one has a wider upper wheel , one has a thinner upper. what is the stiffness of each wheel in both directions. also you need to know what kind of panels you`ll be making to get the correct wheel. larger panels are easier made on larger wheels (more contact area) . are the panels being made from steel or aluminium ? a real stiff frame is not needed for doing soft metals, but a flimsy frame for wheeling steel can downright aggrivating.

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Lazzes' wheeling machine is by far the best one available! And his bead roller is about a million times better than anything else on the market. I wish I had either one.
I was mainly commenting about the strange policy of only selling to students or club members. Just seems redicuous. If someone was an experienced metalworker, and they wanted one of his machines, they obviousely dont need his class, which he understands, so he cant get a few thousand out of you there, but he can get 90 bucks by making them join his club first, thats bullshit.
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Old 12-28-2005, 07:11 AM   #55
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I was mainly commenting about the strange policy of only selling to students or club members. Just seems redicuous. If someone was an experienced metalworker, and they wanted one of his machines, they obviousely dont need his class, which he understands, so he cant get a few thousand out of you there, but he can get 90 bucks by making them join his club first, thats bullshit.
sorry chad. it's commerce. hell, it's america! you guys basically invented capitalism!!!


as for the rubber band, it's kinda like using a kart slick. basically, it only forms the material in one curve (which really means it's bending it). say you wanted to make a trans-tunnel (half of a tube). a standard hard top-wheel would give you half a donut. a kart slick, or rubber band, gives you the long, straight, single curvature.

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Old 12-28-2005, 10:59 AM   #56
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hi autocol,
actually tha kart slick isn`t hard to use, just go slow. here`s a pic. of my first attempt with the kart slick. the surface is actually smoother than it looks in the pic. (i DA`d the part because it got some surface rust on it and now it looks wavy in the pics.)
someone commented about the part being shiny as you wheeled it , the surface of the upper wheel gets imprinted on your part as you wheel it. if your upper wheel is clean and polished it will actually shine your part as you wheel it. if your upper wheel is dinged and scratched it imprints scratches on your part. just like a printing press.

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