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Old 09-24-2012, 10:28 AM   #1
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Default '51 Chrysler Windsor 6 Flathead.

Hello,

It has been a while but im back again.
After i sold my '55 Jobrated i bought a '66 SKylark.
But sold that one to. Now it's time for something different.
I bought myself a 1951 Chrysler Windsor with a six flathead.
I don't have any specs of this car and is there a website where i can get
some information about the engine and some info about the electrical.

Any info would be great.

Greetz Danny
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:47 AM   #2
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Default Re: '51 Chrysler Windsor 6 Flathead.

Try P15/D24.com They deal with all Chrysler flat head engines, someone on the forum has access to all of the engine numbers. The engine number is located on a pad at the front of the engine just above the generator and will start with a C for Chrysler, D for Dodge S for Desoto, P for Plymouth or I for industrial. The letter will be followed by a number like 15 for a 46 through 48 Plymouth then a stamped number which is the build sequence number.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:48 AM   #3
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Default Re: '51 Chrysler Windsor 6 Flathead.

http://www40.addr.com/~merc583/mopar...eframeset.html

This is the best site for info. Its about the only Mopar friendly site out there. Sign up to the forum. Everybody on there is very helpful.

www.oldmoparts.com

tons of NOS parts.

http://rustyhope.com/home.html

Great site.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:04 AM   #4
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Default Re: '51 Chrysler Windsor 6 Flathead.

thanks guys...

Will have a look there.
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Old 09-24-2012, 02:21 PM   #5
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Default Re: '51 Chrysler Windsor 6 Flathead.

Maybe somebody does have a few quick answers?!?
What kind of fluids do i use. Oil, atf, brake clutch?
It's a semi automatic don't have to use atf i think, do i?

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Old 09-24-2012, 07:26 PM   #6
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Default Re: '51 Chrysler Windsor 6 Flathead.

Semi auto might be a fluid drive. Try a search online using that term.

I think my 52 Dodge truck flat6 called for 30 weight oil.
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:54 PM   #7
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Default Re: '51 Chrysler Windsor 6 Flathead.

Here's a site with some real basic specs.

http://www.carnut.com/specs/gen/chry50.html
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:41 PM   #8
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:57 PM   #9
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Default Re: '51 Chrysler Windsor 6 Flathead.

roberts motor parts.com can help too
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:11 PM   #10
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Maybe somebody does have a few quick answers?!?
What kind of fluids do i use. Oil, atf, brake clutch?
It's a semi automatic don't have to use atf i think, do i?

Danny
Oil - any good brand of motor oil. 10W30 is fine. Or 15W40. No need for special oil.

ATF - the Fluid Drive unit and transmission have separate oil supply. Fluid Drive is supposed to use Chrysler Fluid Drive fluid which is no longer available. SAE 10W motor oil was recommended by Chrysler for both Fluid Drive and transmission.

Many owners today use tractor fluid, TDH type, ISO22 or ISO32 grade. TDH stands for Transmission, Differential and Hydraulic fluid.

Brake - ordinary brake fluid DOT3 is fine. Some have changed to silicone fluid after rebuilding the brakes and starting with a clean system. It is not good practice to mix the fluids but if you are starting from scratch the silicone fluid is better.

In those days the brake systems were not sealed. Therefore it is recommended to change the fluid every 2 years to remove moisture contamination.

Clutch -dry plate clutch with mechanical actuation, no fluid required.

The 51 Chrysler is one of the best built cars of its time but has a few peculiar features.

1) 6 volt, positive ground electrical system. Be careful to have the battery right way round.

2) Wheels held on by bolts with left hand threads on the left side, standard right hand threads on the right side. To loosen the wheel bolts on the left side, one must turn them in the opposite direction.

3) Fluid Drive and semi automatic transmission. This is a cross between a 4 speed manual trans and an automatic transmission with characteristics of both. It is not difficult to drive once you master the technique which is simple to learn, but not simple to figure out on your own.

I recommend this web site

http://forums.aaca.org/f145/

Do a search for Fluid Drive, there are several long threads from 2008 on the correct care and operation of the Fluid Drive system. There were more recent threads but not as complete.

....................Later......................... ..

Here is a thorough discussion on operating the Fluid Drive transmission. The car is slightly older than yours but the transmission is identical.

The only difference might be in the gearshift. The older cars had a gearshift like a manual column shift, your car could have the newer style of automatic gearshift quadrant.

........................ Still later............................................. ............

Forgot to post the link to the Fluid Drive thread. Here it is.

http://forums.aaca.org/f145/1947-chr...er-334589.html

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Old 09-24-2012, 10:12 PM   #11
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Default Re: '51 Chrysler Windsor 6 Flathead.

Thanks again!

Rusty O'Toole thanks alot.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:37 PM   #12
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Default Re: '51 Chrysler Windsor 6 Flathead.

Check all the infomation on the Imperial club website. They have a comprehensive repair section featuring the old mechanics training bulletins and pamplets.

There is a lot of Chrysler into there not just Imperials.

Your engine is likely a 251 cubic inch with a 25 inch long head. Dodge and plymouth used a 23.5 inch so parts do not interchange. (I believe the 265 was intro'd in 52.

Your transmission is likely a dual range 2 speed with the technical designation M 6.
Known by differnet names such a Vacu matic, tip toe in the Desoto and gyromatic in the Dodge.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:11 PM   #13
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Default Re: '51 Chrysler Windsor 6 Flathead.

Thanlks again for al the reply's, they are al very usefull.
But i don' t have any doc. or what so ever.
Are there diagrams somewhere on the web where in can find how to drain and refill
Fluids from the tranny? Something with pictures maybe, i'm not the reading kind a type.

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Old 09-25-2012, 02:16 PM   #14
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Try P15/D24.com They deal with all Chrysler flat head engines, someone on the forum has access to all of the engine numbers. The engine number is located on a pad at the front of the engine just above the generator and will start with a C for Chrysler, D for Dodge S for Desoto, P for Plymouth or I for industrial. The letter will be followed by a number like 15 for a 46 through 48 Plymouth then a stamped number which is the build sequence number.
Don't forget "T" for truck.
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Old 09-25-2012, 04:56 PM   #15
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Default Re: '51 Chrysler Windsor 6 Flathead.

If you went to the web site (AACA Forums) and looked around you would find many threads on Fluid Drive including pictures of how to check and change oil, the factory owners manual instructions for Fluid Drive, etc.

The Fluid Drive unit and transmission are checked and filled separately.

To check Fluid Drive, there is an access plate in the floor. It is located on the transmission tunnel below the instrument panel on the passenger side. Roll back the carpet you will see a removable plate.

Below the plate is the bellhousing with a round tin cap. Pry out the cap.

You will see the Fluid Drive unit inside. It looks like a torque converter.

"Bump" the starter until the plug comes into view. Unscrew the plug. Stuff a rag around the hole first, you do not want to drop the plug into the bellhousing.

Using a funnel pour oil slowly into the hole. When it runs over, stop and put the plug back. Put everything back the way it was.

According to Chrysler the Fluid Drive fluid never needs to be changed. The plug is located so the correct air space is maintained. The level is not critical, the Fluid Drive will still work if half empty.

Transmission. There are 2 pipe plugs on the trans. One on the bottom for draining the oil, one about half way up the right side for filling. The oil is supposed to be changed every 10000 miles. Fill until the oil drips out the filler hole. To check the level, remove the plug and stick your finger in. If you can touch the oil it is fine.

There is an access plate on the right side of the driveshaft tunnel above the transmission for servicing. Or you can do it from under the car.
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Default Re: '51 Chrysler Windsor 6 Flathead.

Thanks again Rusty O'Toole, this i can understand.
Even without pictures.

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Old 09-26-2012, 01:06 PM   #17
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Default Re: '51 Chrysler Windsor 6 Flathead.

Now somethong completly different. Since i dom't have a shopmanual. (Yet)
Here's another question.... electrical this time.
Can i get a diagram of the turn signals somewhere?
Don't have a clue where to start. I got some loose wires and stuff.
Is the relay normsle located and mount on the firewall?

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Old 09-26-2012, 01:50 PM   #18
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Default Re: '51 Chrysler Windsor 6 Flathead.

Did the car come with turn signals or was it an aftermarket unit added later? It makes a difference.

The relay or flasher was a small aluminum cylinder about the size of a 35mm film can. It hangs by its wires under the instrument panel not far from the steering column.
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Default Re: '51 Chrysler Windsor 6 Flathead.

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Did the car come with turn signals or was it an aftermarket unit added later? It makes a difference.

The relay or flasher was a small aluminum cylinder about the size of a 35mm film can. It hangs by its wires under the instrument panel not far from the steering column.
Hi, think it did. There is a turnsignal switch on the steering column.
There is a small aluminum cylinder mounted on the firewall.
I will under the steering column tomorrow.

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Old 09-26-2012, 06:33 PM   #20
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Let me give you the 51 Chrysler wiring diagram. Hope you can blow it up and read it, the original is not very big. It comes from a paperback book called the Canadian Service Data Book, a mechanic's handbook from 1953.
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