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Old 09-18-2012, 06:57 AM   #1
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Default The Spoils of War...

I'm in middle of reading a few great books about WWII right now, including "Forever Flying" by WWII ace pilot and POW R.A. "Bob" Hoover, who I met at the Reno Air Races a few years ago. There are many compelling reasons why the pilots and planes...

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Old 09-18-2012, 07:23 AM   #2
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Default Re: The Spoils of War...

Well said JB.

Like you Im totally enamoured by that time and the exploits of both Bomber crews and fighter pilots over the skies of Europe and the Sth Pacific.

Names like Richard Bong, Gregory Boyington, Paul Tibbetts and Robert Morgan and thousands of other less recognised veterans shall never be forgotten.

I am currently reading a book called "Bomber Boys" that describes the devastating losses incurred by the RAF's Bomber Command during night time bombing over Germany during WWII.

As we know, the 8th bombed by day and Bomber Command by night. Losses were so horrendous and morale so low that the very existence of Bomber Command's ability to continue and function as a strategic entity came into question. Pilots and crews were burnt out and many were not able to function as a fighting unit and were dishonorably discharged. Very very sad indeed.

IMO it is a crime that the 50,000 aircrew that lost their lives serving in Bomber Command were only just recently recognised because of political correctness and BC's involvement in fire bombing Hamburg & Dresden where thousands of civilians perished.
May we never see such carnage again.

Back to the hot rods....

So much war surplus was used on the dry lakes in the immediate years after the war which were plentiful and cheap to buy. Let's see from the pics I have :

Navy pea coats
Aviator sunglasses
Leather A2 jackets
Military boots
Belly tanks
Leather flying helmets
Flying goggles
Ex military tools and measuring equipment
Water canteens
"Jerry" fuel cans
Parachutes (after the Airborne made them functional)

Hmm...what ese was there.....

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Old 09-18-2012, 07:40 AM   #3
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Default Re: The Spoils of War...

i think one of the biggest impacts on hot rodding was simply allowing dumb farm kids access to state of the art equipment and training on the care and repair of it. Many of the bigger hot rodders worked on jeeps, tanks and aircraft and learned a lot that applied later
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:17 AM   #4
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Default Re: The Spoils of War...

The fondness for WWII aircraft is shared here as well....................some phenomenal machinery! And the lessons learned there led to higher compression ratios and high octane fuel at the everyday pump island.

Many a young man learned skills in those few years that would serve the growth of post war rodding. For all the horror of war it did give our hobby/sport a swift boot in the butt.

A tip of the jar to Col. R.C. Ohlsen, my late FIL, a B24 jock.
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:59 AM   #5
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I was at an air show a few years ago and a Corsair taxied by, with that big radial's rough idle making the groud shake. The shaggy old greentooth I was next to turned to me and smiled, saying, "It aint no wonder all them boys came home and bought a Harley, is it?"
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:25 AM   #6
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Yes the up side to war is that we do not have a king, we are not a slave nation and we can enjoy the company and friendship of our Jewish neighbors. On to technology, have a look at Freedoms Forge by Arthur Herman. American industrial might and freedom built us out of that war. Plus the cost at home was quite high as well. Thank you to all who serve.
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:34 AM   #7
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Default Re: The Spoils of War...

Right up my alley! I work next door to"Worlds Greatest Aircraft Collection" and have had the privilege to listen to the stories from some of the 'greats' and 'unknowns' alike. I have watched these old birdmen(and women) and crew members be reunited with their machines and seen the years between melt away for them. I've even managed a ride in a P-40 in the same seat that David "Tex" Hill had occupied a few years before. Even so, having never faced fire I'll never wrap my
mind around the personal hell that they faced.

To me though the automobile/aviation technology has always gone hand in hand
and was frequently traded back and forth. Even in the early days it wasn't
uncommon to see aircraft-vs- automobile races staged as evidenced by this
Lincoln Beachey-vs-Eddie Rickenbacker clip. The technology race was parallel,
War I & II just quickened the pace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWzEQ...layer_embedded
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:41 AM   #8
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Default Re: The Spoils of War...

"influence of the aircraft technology during that time: The roots-type blower adapted to gasoline engines"

I too am a student of WWII aircraft but I don't recall any aircraft (at least of the most common ones) running a roots-type blower. Most were centrifigual, either gear driven or turbo.

If I missed one, please let me know; if there was one, I'll bet it was British!!
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:53 AM   #9
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Default Re: The Spoils of War...

Dave, without knowing the original intent or accuracy of that quoted statement, we shouldn't limit our thinking to just supercharging of engines. Roots type blowers are a common way of moving cabin air in aircraft, e.g. one of the primary markets for the S.C.oT. blowers was aircraft cabin air movement. Likewise, high volume air compressors. Many were the influences of the tools of war.
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:56 AM   #10
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One of the coolest salvage places I've ever been to,The Black Hole in Los Alamos,NM is closing for good this week.I've bought the 7 foot drop tanks for my Dad to use in objects found sculpture and countless other goodies that had a nuclear purpose at some point in time.I really wanted to go down there,but I'm too damn busy this week.If you're near there,go check it out .
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:57 AM   #11
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One more book to read, "I could never be so lucky again" Jimmy Doolittle's biography. Starts with barn storming, to air racing, then through wwII.
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:58 AM   #12
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Default Re: The Spoils of War...

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"influence of the aircraft technology during that time: The roots-type blower adapted to gasoline engines"

I too am a student of WWII aircraft but I don't recall any aircraft (at least of the most common ones) running a roots-type blower. Most were centrifigual, either gear driven or turbo.

If I missed one, please let me know; if there was one, I'll bet it was British!!
Your right-- Mainly gear-driven blowers! I've clarified the post slightly to reflect this.
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:59 AM   #13
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A tech detail for that list: Fuel systems. Valves, filters, tanks, hoses. Think Moon and Eelco, first adapting surplus stuff, then manufacturing their own versions more closely adated in size to rods and dragsters. This stuff also was basic to the development of Hilborn and other hot rod fuel injection. The little gas tanks are almost as iconic as the deuce grill...
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:35 AM   #14
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I love vintage aircraft almost as much as old cars....and have total respect for any veterans...and am very proud that my grandfather helped liberate Europe until he was wounded in Holland.
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:20 AM   #15
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GM, Ford and Chrysler gained a great deal of management expertise from WWII vets who learned managing extremely large scale projects during the war. The management of Ford greatly improved post-WWII by incorporating the "whiz kids" that were ex-Army officers, Robert McNamara being one of the most recognizable.

The GI bill led to hundreds of thousands of GI's going to college on Uncle Sam's tab as a thank you for their service. Many of these vets were trained as engineers and professionals that fueled the post war expansion in the US.

sorry if this is a bit off topic from the direct use of surplus equipment for Hot Rodding.
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:25 AM   #16
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Something as small as Fuel lines clamps really makes the difference on some engine bays!!!

I think the most important thing that those guys took away from their duty was the Sense of appreciation of speed to which all boundaries and limits were pushed upon their return. I think most advancements for the next 15-20 years in hot rodding were due largely in part to the G.I.'s in one way or another.
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:29 AM   #17
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Default Re: The Spoils of War...

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"influence of the aircraft technology during that time: The roots-type blower adapted to gasoline engines"
What front line aircraft engine in WW2 used a Rootes type supercharger?
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:30 AM   #18
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It's possible a lot of people would be speaking German and Japanese if not for those guys, and all the other ones who fought then. We should never forget the fact that they put their lives on the line so we could enjoy what we do today.
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Old 09-18-2012, 01:01 PM   #19
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i think one of the biggest impacts on hot rodding was simply allowing dumb farm kids access to state of the art equipment and training on the care and repair of it. Many of the bigger hot rodders worked on jeeps, tanks and aircraft and learned a lot that applied later
I don't think farm kids had the corner on "dumb". As a matter of hands-on experience, the farm boys more than likely had it over the "city boys".

More than a few of those city boys didn't know what purpose a clutch & shifting lever had as evidenced by their grinding a pound of metal while attempting to drive a 3/4T.
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:54 PM   #20
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*Fiberglass cloth. Though it is debatable if this had a positive influence on hot rods (outside of the show car realm), it sure was a gift to surfboard building! Also neoprene rubber- used as sound deadening, padding and insulation in aircraft- is still keeping the chill off surfers and divers today. *Balsa wood, used as quick bridge building.... whoops I'm off course! *
** Graphic artist Art Chantry has made a hobby of tracing military WW2 insignias into widespread use as peace time (usually industrial and auto parts) logos.*
** My gramps was a flier stationed up in Alaska during that time. Somewhere there is a picture of his rotary engine(?!) jalopy he built when he got back.
** *Thanks vets and civilians alike for your great sacrifices.
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